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what if you die next year (of a different cause) and the quarantine robbed you from your last year, would you make the same trade?
what of those who don't quarantine, get covid, and pass the virus on to their elderly relatives? would you make the same trade?
My mother _actually_ passed from cancer in May. I sure wish I could've spent more time with her before that happened despite any risks.
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> In an average year, 13/1000 Swedes die anyway. Yes, people die. That's true of all countries and all times. What we might call civilized societies have however strived to reduce those numbers as much as possible. This was done by trying to avoid violence, improving lifestyles and developing better medical techniques in order to prevent or repair diseases and injuries. Containing and minimizing the effects of a pand…
> A few months of not going to festivals and the cinema is by no measure a catastrophe. It's not fun, but suggesting that your right to fun should trump others' right to life is, again, uncivilized, immoral and irresponsible. What are your thoughts on a state of permanent lockdown in order to eliminate the tens of thousands of worldwide deaths that occur every single year due to the common flu? Perhaps life to most o…
Total lock-downs might not be necessary. From what I can tell, the working from home-thing pretty much stopped this year's flu epidemic; one of my customers talked about sick-leave being down by over two thirds since the pandemic hit. They've already changed their policies so that anyone with cold or flu symptoms are required to work from home from now on.
> Perhaps life to most of the world involves balancing several factors, one of which is risk to personal health.
No doubt about it. However, this pandemic has shown us that there are plenty of measures that can be taken without major disruptions.
Personally, I'm all for telling people with a sore throat and fever that they should stay the fk away from things like sports events, even if it's just a flu in that specific case. The only reason the flu does go around like it does is because we let it. We don't have to.
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In an average year, 13/1000 Swedes die anyway . Considering COVID has closed many of life's fun things, there will be an entire generation of people who have effectively "lost" a year of the things they hoped they would do in their lifetime. By stating open, Sweden might decrease life expectancy in years, but increase it in terms of 'things achieved in a lifetime'
In New Zealand, who took the opposite strategy of Sweden, they can open now and aren't losing a year.
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Vietnam is zero deaths and At first, I thought it was the govt covering something up, but after so many months, along with closely monitoring things, I trust their numbers. It is literally a source of national pride for them to have done so well, it would be very hard for them to hide things. Quarantine, masks, isolation, cleaning, testing, contact tracing. ALL WORKED.
Vietnam came out right at the start with a significant fine for not wearing a mask in public.
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/...
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Ok, now do Vietnam. Also, the choice to offshore medical supply infrastructure was a deliberate one by many wealthy countries. That this was foolish and short-sighted is not any more of an excuse than anything else with their poor responses.
Vietnam has a population 10 years younger than Taiwan / Sweden / Germany. This is a very significant factor when we are talking about Covid, and explains the very low mortality rate in Vietnam. But yes: Vietnam still did great, most likely thanks to very early intervention (as early as January).
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The current death rate, 10-15 people a day, is insignificant compared to other causes of death. It is not reasonable to talk about percentage differences when we're talking 15 vs 3 deaths a day.
Do note that there's easily a 15-day delay when it comes to Sweden reporting somewhat correct number of deaths, so let's not focus on the "current" death rate too much. And I expect the reporting delay to actually be worse right now as we're in the middle of vacation time. Source: https://adamaltmejd.se/covid/
15 days ago Sweden was experiencing about 20 covid deaths per day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden#De...
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This is an important observation. In the Netherlands, where I live, I've had a number of people look at me with great surprise and mistrust when I mentioned that the Dutch have done a terrible job with this epidemic. The Guardian plots show that the Netherlands is one of the worst when it comes to under-reporting. This is not to say however that the Swedes have done a good job. While their numbers are credible, their…
In an average year, 13/1000 Swedes die anyway . Considering COVID has closed many of life's fun things, there will be an entire generation of people who have effectively "lost" a year of the things they hoped they would do in their lifetime. By stating open, Sweden might decrease life expectancy in years, but increase it in terms of 'things achieved in a lifetime'
Everyone keeps forgetting this is a NOVEL virus, between rare severe impacts to children, there have been neurological any circulatory issues so saying it only matters to the people who die I think is ludicrously naive.
Deaths per 1M population are significantly higher in Italy(577), Spain(607) and the UK(654) than they are in Sweden(539). And Sweden have been a lot more honest in counting than most countries. There seems to be a drive to discredit the inalienable human rights approach, in this case by implying it was a financial decision; but i have to say i am impressed by the way they have handled this situation, the only respons…
To me this is moving the goalpost. The stated objective of the lockdown was not to overwhelm the ICUs. As far as I know the ICUs in Sweden have not been overwhelmed. So how is that a failure? As for the economic impact, given the amount of life support injections into the economy, I think the real economic impact of the shock is yet to be seen. Defaults are only starting to rise.
- you, looking at the economy
The jury is still out on "economic failure." The evidence cited on the economy is thin at best. The main piece of evidence is that "Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent." Economic forecasts are ridiculously unreliable. In the US, economists forecast (on average) that 8 million jobs would be lost in May. Instead there…
I work in e-commerce in Sweden and so far we're looking at 100%+ growth numbers for this year. It's crazy. I expect it to slow down towards the end of the year, but so far it's been crazy.