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Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Hollywood brought that up to itself, you can't be paying actors for millions and then wonder why people want to get your stuff for free. Make affordable prices by reducing actors salaries and gfx artists salaries to 6 figures rather than having them sitting at a lot of millions.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that VFX artists are on six figures, none of the ones I know personally, in the US or Australia, are.

That's not to say that VFX isn't a large cost to film production, just that the cats sitting on computers running Houdini aren't necessarily the ones racking in huge sums of money.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#42
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So how much do they pay you to post that "press release"-style post that doesn't actually explain how the TPP would help? You've posted a lot of fear-mongering, but haven't actually shown what would be changed by the treaty. As we already have very little in the way of tarriffs or other barriers to international trade, there isn't a lot that could be done to "improve trade" between US and asia. So why the treaty? The…

I do not get paid to post to Hacker News. That would be a fun job... but alas I am not that lucky. Why do you think my post was fearmongering, specifically? As per the implication that corporations stand a lot to gain from the TPP - you'll see in my post I've said precisely the same thing. I would agree that there is a trend in the direction of corporate sovereignty - another large trend in this direction is what Bru…

You are using the tactic of trying to seem just like us and agreeing with us that it's bad: "... it comes with certain trojan horses ... such as requirements mentioned in the article for internet service providers to filter and monitor customer traffic."

Then, with us convinced that you're firmly on our side, you make the bold statement: "The TPP is important for navigating future global financial and international policy options, but bundled with it are laws that would otherwise be rejected at the ballot box."

And you say it again: "You can be sure that the TPP is in the interest of the US's strategic financial and diplomatic future. That's not a lie - nor is it fearmongering."

I'm sure it is in the interests of the ultra-wealthy and elite in the US. What's in it for everyone else, though?

This is your fearmongering: "it is dangerous to be a single issue voter."

Nowhere in your previous post or this one do you come up with ONE justification for that, or for your statement that the TPP is important and necessary. Nowhere.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#43
post #25

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A business wanting to make more money by charging for their good/bad/ok product? how evil. I don't agree that copyright infringement should be a criminal rather than civil matter. Even when I'm watching a mediocre movie, I still appreciate that it took lots of peoples time and money to create. Edit: updated with word 'more' in response to response to this response of a response

>> It's all about money. Hollywood is greedy and wants more to create another mediocre (at best) movies. > A business wanting to make money by charging for their good/bad/ok product? how evil. That doesn't follow in the slightest. > I don't agree that copyright infringement should be a criminal rather than civil matter. > Even when I'm watching a mediocre movie, I still appreciate that it took lots of peoples time an…

My initial comment was a reaction to the sense of entitlement that I sensed in the comment.

My response may be out of place in this thread, but no more than the initial comment.

If I have mis-interpreted the initial content, then I apologies, but I still don't think I have.

Again, I am totally against Hollywoods overreach and attempts to inflict a dying business model by the means described in the article.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#44

Hollywood brought that up to itself, you can't be paying actors for millions and then wonder why people want to get your stuff for free. Make affordable prices by reducing actors salaries and gfx artists salaries to 6 figures rather than having them sitting at a lot of millions.

They pay what people are willing to buy for. And you are mistanken about the salaries of the sfx guys. There is a large cost in hardware and the fact that they are many people working there.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#45
post #37

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I do not get paid to post to Hacker News. That would be a fun job... but alas I am not that lucky. Why do you think my post was fearmongering, specifically? As per the implication that corporations stand a lot to gain from the TPP - you'll see in my post I've said precisely the same thing. I would agree that there is a trend in the direction of corporate sovereignty - another large trend in this direction is what Bru…

> Why do you think my post was fearmongering, specifically? You're entire original post - and part of this one - is trying to stir up fears about the future financial stability of the US. This is fear mongering because you haven't actually shown how the TPP fixes this other than to say it is necessary in some vague and highly theoretical ways. > You can be sure that the TPP is in the interest of the US's strategic fi…

I can garuntee you that my post is not trying to stir up fears. (I know this because I wrote it...)

That said if the idea that the gloomier prospects of US finances and it needing to jockey for position in the Asian Pacific region is new and scary I would suggest two things: first that the original post included some perspective regarding the importance of the region in upcoming decades and second that it is mere truth that the dollar, US bonds and Western financial institutions have not been seeing strong trends. The US and China are in the same relationship the UK and US were when the Stirling Pound was traded for the US Dollar as the international fiat currency; with the UK as the largest debtor nation and the US as the largest creditor. This is true today but it is the US who is the largest debtor and it is China who has been establishing international banks and building an empire of credit. I do not claim that the sky is falling, nor that this is somehow a secret disclosure - it is in fact commonly traded knowledge. My bet is that if you do independent research regarding the strength of the US as an economic power you will see that she is facing challenges. Not sky is falling challenges. But challenges that require action to address them. One of those things is the TPP. Or rather, one option is the TPP. The US government chose the Asia-Pacific option a decade ago and the TPP today is one tactic in that continuing strategy.

The TPP is not the fix. Complex problems do not have simple singular fixes. It is, however, a keystone effort to establish a primary trade treaty in the region at a time it may be otherwise denied from.

Nor does the post champion the TPP. I hoped to show how it is both important and potentially damaging, specifically in regard to domestic law.

> No, the TPP is in the strategic financial - and diplomatic - future of corporations

I'm exactly the sort of person who would agree that there are dangerous trends toward corporate world governance. Nestle owns nearly half the world's potable water and 51 of the world's one hundred largest economic forces are international corporations (and as opposed to a democracy of any sort corporations are primarily autocratic and required by law to maximize the wealth of their leadership at the possible expense to others).

However, I think we depart. Where you see a cabal of corporations running the show, bending the US government to its will, I see something very different. I see a US government, earnest to do right by its people (albeit partially blind to some of it's peoples ideals and struggles), positioned in stride with corporations. That is: from the perspective of both the US government and from US corporations the TPP is a strategic win.

That the TPP may go further to enshine corporations as global players and a powerful political class is not mutually exclusive with the TPP being an important diplomatic and financial opportunity for the US as a republic. Rather, it is precisely what I say in my parent comment - that it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. The TPP is sincerely important for the US as a nation. It also further benefits large and international corporations. This is to say - yes I agree with you that corporate governance is an emerging threat. But it isn't the only emerging threat. The US's future is too. It's important that we recognize the issue in full scope rather than make it about any singular favorite issue.

> I would consider this kind of end-run around the amendment process to pass things that would obviously not pass a legitimate legislative process to be the very definition of trying to undermine the authority of the constitution, aka "sedition".

The constitution directly allows the US to make treaties with other nations and for those treaties to be the law of the land. This is also not the first time, nor and exceptional time, that this has been done.

So I think I misunderstood you here. You're clearly not saying this is unconstitutional. I think you're saying that the TPP is an agreement that will hurt the US more than help it - and that US leadership knows this - and thus it is 'sedition'? Again we depart. The TPP is important for the US and US leadership recognizes this. An unfortunate truth is that the TPP will not correct, and will probably exacerbate, the power and wealth concentrated within large corporations. We should definitely be having conversations about the role of corporations and their domestic and international political power. But we don't need to unilaterally reject the TPP - in fact if we were to we would still have a problem with corporate power. It's absolutely important we deal with consolidated capital and influence inside of these institutions - but it should not blind us from everything else going on. I would suggest, with my tongue partially pressed to my cheek, that making the TPP out to be entirely about corporate world order sounds a whole lot like... fearmongering?

> Any legitimate concerns about specific details of trade or the US's relationship with the growing economies in asia can be brought up as normal legislation, where they can each be argued about on their own.

Negotiating trade deals with so many divergent interests is not something that is done well by normal legislative bodies - nor do I think you want to suggest our deadlocked legislation would be an improvement. But with regard to the general sentiment that you wish there were more transparency: I agree.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#46
post #40

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Did you link to the right video? We still have plain tobacco packaging in Australia. Can you tell me where to skip to in the video that talks about remote prosecution of individuals with regard to piracy.

Keep watching - the corporate stuff starts a few minutes in, with the tobacco industry throwing around threats to various countries legislatures to stop those legislatures from passing Australian-style packaging laws and other public-health regulations. edit: if you're in a hurry, try starting at about 5:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6U...

Can you tell me where to skip to in the video that talks about remote prosecution of individuals with regard to piracy.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#47

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It's in the US interest, but it can't be in the non-US interest then. There's always another party to contracts like that. And one side is always getting screwed when the US is involved.

I'm not sure I exactly follow. Sometimes agreements and relationships are "zero-sum" - A gains implies B loses. Other agreements are not win-lose ("potluck versus buffet"). In the case of the TPP the US is looking to establish itself, its rules and its influence in the Pacific - to the chagrin of China. While partnerships between the US and China continue to strengthen, some key areas have always kept the two from be…

"In the case of the TPP the US is looking to establish itself, its rules and its influence in the Pacific"

There is the issue with that. THERE!!!! Just stay the fuck where you are and do not "establish itself" the world all over.

I don't mean that directed at you personally but at your gov.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#48
post #34

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Have you missed Kim "Dotcom" being arrested in New Zealand at the behest of the FBI?

Did you miss the bit where Kim Dotcom is a free man and running a file sharing company with better user privacy that the previous iteration. I think the Kim Dotcom saga demonstrates my point of these types of laws being farcical.

He is not free, he's under bail.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#49

Hollywood brought that up to itself, you can't be paying actors for millions and then wonder why people want to get your stuff for free. Make affordable prices by reducing actors salaries and gfx artists salaries to 6 figures rather than having them sitting at a lot of millions.

I think you got it completely backwards. It's demand vs. supply,like everywhere else. If you are making a film,and want to hire an actor, you have to look around - if Robert D. Junior wants $10 million to play this role,and an unknown actor X will play it for $100k, you either pay $10 million to hire RDJ,or he won't work for you. You can't "Make affordable prices by reducing actors salaries" - you are simply not in charge of that, you are not their boss, or their accountant. And in general, I have no idea where you got this silly notion that somehow people wouldn't want films for free if the actors were paid less.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I exactly follow. Sometimes agreements and relationships are "zero-sum" - A gains implies B loses. Other agreements are not win-lose ("potluck versus buffet"). In the case of the TPP the US is looking to establish itself, its rules and its influence in the Pacific - to the chagrin of China. While partnerships between the US and China continue to strengthen, some key areas have always kept the two from be…

"In the case of the TPP the US is looking to establish itself, its rules and its influence in the Pacific" There is the issue with that. THERE!!!! Just stay the fuck where you are and do not "establish itself" the world all over. I don't mean that directed at you personally but at your gov.

> I don't mean that directed at you personally but at your gov.

I understand. I get it. I'm actually very partial to the idea.

It's the unfortunate truth that China is also making big bets to establish itself around the world and to gain influence - for example its heavy investment in Africa or the development of its own (BRICS) world bank.

The US is not some lone perpetrator.

The world would be better if we could all 'just get along'.

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