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Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by informatimago »

bitL wrote: post #35
spindritf wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium Not even close. This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. They don't trust their own citizens, not "corporations and other stewards of this medium." You're buying a flimsy excuse for cracking down on free speech. Their problem has never been th…

Russia is obviously preparing for a war. They are trying to build and control their own services for everything (finance, e-commerce, even CPU manufacturing etc.) so that the country doesn't collapse once it is cut off from the West, the weakness China doesn't have. It sucks for all the people that want to enjoy freedom there.

USA does all it can to cut Russia off from the rest of the world.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#42

Post by Shivetya »

vdaniuk wrote: post #30
insuffi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly not that Putin needs to suppress dissent from his own people. It's a very small minority in Russia that would like Putin removed. Now, if we're talking about the west investing x billion in "democratic institutions"(Ukraine, anyone?), it makes some sense for Russia to isolate itself. Obviously, it's easy to paint Russia as evil, but the cold war is over, buddy.

That's hilarious. People in Russia support Putin exactly because there are virtually no free mass media. This is one of the latest steps to block access to all media channels that may oppose Russian cleptocratic government.

don't always believe what you read here, there are a lot of Russians who want to relive the glory days, real or perceived. Just because we in the West don't like him doesn't mean much to them, if anything it might bolster his image there.

plus, considering what our President(s) do/done where do we have room to brag/gloat? I cannot find those news articles where Putin is using drones to kill his citizens abroad.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#43

Post by vdaniuk »

insuffi wrote: post #33
vdaniuk wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hilarious. People in Russia support Putin exactly because there are virtually no free mass media. This is one of the latest steps to block access to all media channels that may oppose Russian cleptocratic government.

Heh, Right. Is there free mass media anywhere else? Are you aware that any journalist who spoke out against the Iraq war never had a career again? Free mass media is a political talking point, not a real thing. Would you prefer Yeltsin? Putin is what Russia needs.

Ah, yes, what about the USA. The favorite argument of putinbots. Because there are no other countries in the world, right?

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#44

Post by insuffi »

bitL wrote: post #35
spindritf wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium Not even close. This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. They don't trust their own citizens, not "corporations and other stewards of this medium." You're buying a flimsy excuse for cracking down on free speech. Their problem has never been th…

Russia is obviously preparing for a war. They are trying to build and control their own services for everything (finance, e-commerce, even CPU manufacturing etc.) so that the country doesn't collapse once it is cut off from the West, the weakness China doesn't have. It sucks for all the people that want to enjoy freedom there.

Or rather it has to do with Russia and the Brics trying to subvert the dollar, not war. Not to mention, there's no way it would get cut off from the west at this point, if only in political rhetoric. Nordstream and Southstream kicked Washington in the balls at every turn, to the point where they're almost dropping their intentions.

Next, the west has a shit ton of money invested in the Russian stock markets. Their stock markets rebounded back to previous levels a few weeks after the sanctions.

Furthermore, military equipment. See France.

Uh, freedom. what? Have you been to Russia?

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#45

Post by happyscrappy »

bad_user wrote: post #38
spindritf wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium Not even close. This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. They don't trust their own citizens, not "corporations and other stewards of this medium." You're buying a flimsy excuse for cracking down on free speech. Their problem has never been th…

> This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. No government can act without the acceptance of a majority of the citizens. China's firewall can only exist because the Chinese people are accepting it in the name of protecting children or other such bullshit - brits should watch out, as their personal liberties have been eroded in the name of safety for too long. And if…

I guess you haven't heard: "The Five Eyes are cooperating with various 3rd Party countries in at least two groups: The "Nine Eyes", consisting of the Five Eyes plus Denmark, France, the Netherlands and Norway. The "Fourteen Eyes", consisting of the same countries as the Nine Eyes plus Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain and Sweden.[41] The actual name of this group is SIGINT Seniors Europe (SSEUR) and its purpose is coordinating the exchange of military signals intelligence among its members.[42]

Germany is reportedly interested in moving closer to the inner circle: an internal GCHQ document from 2009 said that the “Germans were a little grumpy at not being invited to join the 9-Eyes group." Germany may even wish to join Five Eyes.[43] Referring to Five Eyes, French President François Hollande has said that his country is "not within that framework and we don't intend to join."[44] According to a former top U.S. official, "Germany joining would be a possibility, but not France – France itself spies on the US far too aggressively for that."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Eyes#Future_enlargemen...

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by tempodox »

This does make sense from a purely logical point of view. If personal data is to be exploited and plundered, at least make sure it's done by your own villains under the control of your own laws. Why volunteer anything to the competing spy agencies?

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#47

Post by insuffi »

vdaniuk wrote: post #43
insuffi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh, Right. Is there free mass media anywhere else? Are you aware that any journalist who spoke out against the Iraq war never had a career again? Free mass media is a political talking point, not a real thing. Would you prefer Yeltsin? Putin is what Russia needs.

Ah, yes, what about the USA. The favorite argument of putinbots. Because there are no other countries in the world, right?

Oh wow, a putinbot. Great argumentation.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#48

Post by alexro »

vdaniuk wrote: post #30
insuffi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly not that Putin needs to suppress dissent from his own people. It's a very small minority in Russia that would like Putin removed. Now, if we're talking about the west investing x billion in "democratic institutions"(Ukraine, anyone?), it makes some sense for Russia to isolate itself. Obviously, it's easy to paint Russia as evil, but the cold war is over, buddy.

That's hilarious. People in Russia support Putin exactly because there are virtually no free mass media. This is one of the latest steps to block access to all media channels that may oppose Russian cleptocratic government.

Russians prefer a cleptocratic government with Putin than a cleptocratic government without Putin. There are no non-cleptocratic governments in the world. Power corrups ... you know the rest of this, right?

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#49

Post by walshemj »

oddx wrote: post #14
walshemj wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

where the FSB can easily access it without those pesky court orders - this is part of Putins crackdown along with banning certain words from use period.

Secret court orders isn't problem in USA [1] nor UK [2], Russia only tries to keep up with Five Eyes. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intellig... 2. http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/apr/04/clarke-defends-se...

Say what you will about the NSA SIS etc they at least do have some independent oversight.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#50

Post by disputin »

informatimago wrote: post #41
bitL wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is obviously preparing for a war. They are trying to build and control their own services for everything (finance, e-commerce, even CPU manufacturing etc.) so that the country doesn't collapse once it is cut off from the West, the weakness China doesn't have. It sucks for all the people that want to enjoy freedom there.

USA does all it can to cut Russia off from the rest of the world.

Russia doesn't help itself with its oppressive paranoia.
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