Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia
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#2It's a post-Snowden world, so I can't say I'm surprised nor that I think it's ridiculous. I also strongly suspect that EU will follow the suit shortly.
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#3It sounds evil but balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium. The NSA/GCHQ scandal only pushed it a little further. We all know that any great medium starts out as a bastion of understanding, sharing and common good until a bunch of trolls show up to ruin it all (ahem, reddit, ycombinator, digg, etc). Until that moment we enjoy all the freedoms that such a medium offers and we assume it is something of and unto itself, never to be destroyed. In the Internet's case the trolls were capital coming to understand how to modify the Internet to extract wealth and governments looking for a competitive edge over others using the Internets structural flaws to obtain that edge.
The erosion in this case is more harmful to many people than trolls showing up to reddit. So I think it's natural that people recede slightly from the idea a globalised common communal identity created by the Internet and look toward their national structures to protect them. As Snowden said in some QA "Our founding fathers did not say that all [US persons] were created equal". Until the irony of that statement is not cleared up internationally and human rights are absolutely universal balkanisation of the Internet will come. Russia, despite being an odd democracy, is only jumping onto a boat that already sailed in Brazil and other locations.
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#4It's sad that it's spiraling down to this but it is in practice no different than what the US is doing. There's no free speech without privacy so this looks like a "choose your dictator" kind of thing.
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#5Europe has similar law (personal data should not leave Europe), but it is not as widely enforced.
Edit: since I am getting down voted let me explain.
> The EU Data Protection Directive requires that personal data a company collects can not be moved somewhere where the consumer will have weaker protections than in the EU.
Practically it means that data can not be moved outside of EU, since they would be under different jurisdiction. For example court in EU must approve all data disclosures. If data are in US the disclosure could bypass courts in EU, there could be even gag order.
Simply put, the EU can not enforce its law in foreign countries. Safe Harbor and similar are nice in theory, but it still does not put them under EU jurisdiction.
BTW: Irish Google got sued already for sharing data with american mother-ship.
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#6It sounds evil but balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium. The NSA/GCHQ scandal only pushed it a little further. We all know that any great medium starts out as a bastion of understanding, sharing and common good until a bunch of trolls show up to ruin it all (ahem, reddit, ycombinator, digg, etc). Until that moment we enjoy all the…
where the FSB can easily access it without those pesky court orders - this is part of Putins crackdown along with banning certain words from use period.
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#7Europe has similar law (personal data should not leave Europe), but it is not as widely enforced. Edit: since I am getting down voted let me explain. > The EU Data Protection Directive requires that personal data a company collects can not be moved somewhere where the consumer will have weaker protections than in the EU. Practically it means that data can not be moved outside of EU, since they would be under differen…
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Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia
#8Europe has similar law (personal data should not leave Europe), but it is not as widely enforced. Edit: since I am getting down voted let me explain. > The EU Data Protection Directive requires that personal data a company collects can not be moved somewhere where the consumer will have weaker protections than in the EU. Practically it means that data can not be moved outside of EU, since they would be under differen…
The EU laws allows for data to leave assuming you follow guidelines that makes sure the EU laws around privacy are respected in the country the data is exported to.
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#9Aside from the politics, this causes me to have 2 questions:
1) Are there any cloud file storage systems along the Drive/DB lines in Russia that apps providers can integrate with?
2) Not that anyone here knows the answer, but will the cloud storage providers implement data routing that complies with these rules (I guess yes, if the money is worth it)?
If anyone here is interested in country specific SaaS integrations (Germany, Brazil and Russia, for example), my email in profile.
Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia
#10Europe has similar law (personal data should not leave Europe), but it is not as widely enforced. Edit: since I am getting down voted let me explain. > The EU Data Protection Directive requires that personal data a company collects can not be moved somewhere where the consumer will have weaker protections than in the EU. Practically it means that data can not be moved outside of EU, since they would be under differen…
Not quite. The EU Data Protection Directive requires that personal data a company collects can not be moved somewhere where the consumer will have weaker protections than in the EU.
This has required some workarounds, such as "safe harbour" provisions that US companies need to accept in order to receive personal data from EU companies that have collected them from users, which basically boils down to that the US company need to agree to comply with the same basic rules as if the data had stayed in the EU.
End users can pass their data to whomever, whether or not they comply with these rules.