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House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Re: House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Post by eeky »

jackmaney wrote: post #31
eeky wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I said majority of people, not Americans. My statement stands correct. Look at what other countries have done to recently stem gay culture: Russia recently passed a unanimous (436-0) vote which banned gay propaganda[1]. Homosexuals acceptance is pushed hard in the western media, but don't let that skew your worldview. Reactionary responses are not uncommon. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/russia-law-b…

So, how are things waaaay over there on the wrong side of history?

You keep arguing with logical fallacies, but I'll respond anyway. Russia is doing quite well and just became the 5th largest economy[1]. They also have a news station (Russia Today) which reports on real issues - unlike western "mainstream" media. You act as if Russia is some backwater slump and not a growing modern nation. Meanwhile the western world is teetering into bankruptcy. You won't know which side of history is right until it actually becomes history.

[1] http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/

Re: House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Post by corin_ »

jlgreco wrote: post #37
jacobwcarlson wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is that by not changing bad decisions made in the past, those mistakes aren't forgotten or brushed under the rug.

Is it really credible that giving a pardon to all those persecuted under homosexuality laws would make us forget our shameful past? That does not seem credible to me, that just seems like a haphazard excuse.

If anything I would have thought it does that opposite, as anyone who hears about the pardon is just reminded of the terrible things that happened.

Re: House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Post by jlgreco »

mindstab wrote: post #32
taybin wrote: post #5

They should pardon all the people convicted under that law. Not just the famous, useful ones.

I believe they plan to, and that is what is being debated, they are just using Alan Turing as the most famous example of an deceased person that should be pardoned.

I believe this is the bill they are debating, it seems specific to Alan Turing: http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/alanturingstatut... (tangent: this is a pretty neat site, does anybody know if there is similar for US Congress?)

Re: House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Post by corin_ »

eeky wrote: post #29
lysol wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, let's. If homosexuals should be allowed to experience their sexuality than why not permit them to fulfill their emotional, romantic, and other needs? It's such an artificial line to draw and we certainly can discuss both gay marriage and the legality of homosexuality in the same discussion.

The problem arises that the legality of marriage was designed around traditional families. There's nothing that stops homosexuals from fulfilling their emotional, romantic, and other needs. But when you involved tax deductions because children are such an expensive commitment, it gets hairy. I do support civil unions (but not gay adoption), and I am tolerant of gays (I discuss these issues with friends who are gay),…

Child-based tax deductions should be based on what children a couple have, not on what gender the couple are.

And why do you oppose gay adoption? That's nothing to do with changing the definition of marriage, or tax issues...

Re: House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Post by beagle12 »

eeky wrote: post #25
nknighthb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like the majority of people, I oppose gay marriage. From your past comments, you appear to be American. I am therefore ecstatic to inform you that you are in the minority. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/support-...

I said majority of people, not Americans. My statement stands correct. Look at what other countries have done to recently stem gay culture: Russia recently passed a unanimous (436-0) vote which banned gay propaganda[1]. Homosexuals acceptance is pushed hard in the western media, but don't let that skew your worldview. Reactionary responses are not uncommon. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/russia-law-b…

I have registered an account on HN simply to respond to you. You are a despicable piece of worthless trash. Thank you.

Re: House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Post by mynameismonkey »

eeky wrote: post #29
lysol wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, let's. If homosexuals should be allowed to experience their sexuality than why not permit them to fulfill their emotional, romantic, and other needs? It's such an artificial line to draw and we certainly can discuss both gay marriage and the legality of homosexuality in the same discussion.

The problem arises that the legality of marriage was designed around traditional families. There's nothing that stops homosexuals from fulfilling their emotional, romantic, and other needs. But when you involved tax deductions because children are such an expensive commitment, it gets hairy. I do support civil unions (but not gay adoption), and I am tolerant of gays (I discuss these issues with friends who are gay),…

In your previous comment, you took the view that your sentiments reflected a global representation, and you short-changed the person who replied to you for being so silly as to think you were talking about the USA when in fact you were talking about the entire planet. Now, in this thread, you hearken to "traditional families". You speak of a country that has "tax deductions". May I ask you to hone your platform and let us know from what level of generality you wish us to perceive your commentary?

Re: House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Post by Caerus »

jlgreco wrote: post #43
mindstab wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe they plan to, and that is what is being debated, they are just using Alan Turing as the most famous example of an deceased person that should be pardoned.

I believe this is the bill they are debating, it seems specific to Alan Turing: http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/alanturingstatut... (tangent: this is a pretty neat site, does anybody know if there is similar for US Congress?)

http://www.govtrack.us/

For example, the most recent immigration bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s744

Re: House of Lords debates pardon for Alan Turing

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Post by corin_ »

ansimionescu wrote: post #22

WTF?! Debate?! What is there to debate?? This is why I(/we) hate most politicians.

Politicians are far from the only people who aren't pro-gay rights, feel free to hate the specific people for their opinions, but seems a bit pointless to hate politicians in general for having the same mixture of views as the general public.
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