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Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
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Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, poor people in Dorchester shouldn't complain because they have it much better than people in the developing world. Obviously it's a matter of degree. The poster is complaining about a real phenomenon.
I agree it's a real phenomenon. I and my buddy go out a lot in Boston to pick up chicks, we get blown out 80% of the time right away, then conversation/interaction dies 80% of the time before we ask for number, then chick flakes 70% of time after text, then interest dies on first date 70% of the time. Well, but if you get past that all these probabilities and first date, well, the chick is pretty into you that you pr…
Ok, let's see
Based on your numbers I did the math, and this means that 1 in 277 girls will pass the filter
That number may look high, but it is very feasible
Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#43You mean small selective sampling mixed with faulty reasoning. Immigrants are usually self-selected hard working, smart and relatively rich (otherwise you can't afford to emigrate), risk taking people - because you'd otherwise have a lot of trouble surviving in America. Stating "Asian-American" success, is like stating "Harvard-American" success - your sample is already biased. Reversion to the mean always kicks in.…
Reversion to the mean always kicks in. Give immigrant Asians 30 more years -and you'll see them well integrated and achieving the same as average Americans Yeah, just like Americans of Jewish ancestry! A group that came over most poor and not speaking the language very well and with low social capital and mostly did very well, and whose children did very well will revert all the way to average.
The vast majority of that can be explained by randomness, the extreme variance of small samples and inappropriate use of the fundamental attribution error.
Minorities live or die not because of anything intrinsic - but merely because of prevailing environmental forces. The "Jewish-success", like the article's "Asian-success", is merely a statistical fluke, just as is the failure of other oppressed minorities throughout the world.
No group of people is better or worse than any other. They merely inhabit different environments. Thinking otherwise leads to fundamentally faulty thinking, inappropriate cultural stereotyping and general stupidity. Humans as a species are highly homogenous and population variances can usually be explained through environmental factors and random genetic mutation than by any inherent ability.
> Long and Kittles show that indeed, African populations contain about 100% of human genetic diversity, whereas in populations outside of Africa diversity is much reduced, for example in their population from New Guinea only about 70% of human variation is captured.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
> While biologists sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race is often used in a naive or simplistic way, i.e. that among humans, race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens. Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete, and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_b...
So I call bullshit on biologically derived differentiation across human populations by people with poor statistical and genetic understanding.
There are ~2 billion Asians - reversion to the mean works highly effectively in these cases as immigration pressures stabilise.
Race violates my rule that if it's vague, it's bullshit.
Hence racial/cultural/fuzzy explanations for differentiating phenomena are discarded for the crap that they are.
Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#44'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…
While there's some truth in what you say, the glass ceiling is mostly within yourself.
In my experience, it's been the case that if you are actually taking actions to pursue females be it white or yellow or brown or red, rather than taking a backseat to complain and/or victimize yourself, you'll get somewhere. Provided that you are self-aware enough to learn lessons and improve your game. Also, a lot of white girls by way of social expectations might say things like they are not into Asian guys, but very few of them will actually turn you down if you pursue them, have some game and are not a complainer - certainly no more than the number of rejections white guys will get trying to woo Asian girls.
Also, most Asian females are not automatically more attracted to white males - it's highly dependent on their upbringing and aspirations. But if you are mainly into the barbie-doll type of sorority girls, then it's not exactly a surprise that girls like that are shallower than average and are more into money, status and how things look from the outside - all of which are more easily associable with the dominant ethnic group of the country - whites. There's also another subtle detail which is the fact that as Asian Americans males, we've done our fair share of suppressing our women in an environment where they have alternatives, but I'm not going into that in this comment.
One last thing I'd also like to add: make sure you are actually Brad Pitt before you go in hot and heavy trying to sweep Angelina Jolie off her feet. Actually even if you are Brad Pitt material it's likely that you'll have to work your way up to Angelina. I've seen too many Asian American guys who were brought up with too much of an introverted ego such that they won't go for the girls who are at their level whom could be a good match but are not 8s, 9s, or 10s. As a result, they flop and flop and flop again and start to believe that they are cursed by their Asian American identify.
background: I'm a Chinese guy who came to the US at age 15 not knowing how to speak much English at all with a single mother who was busting her ass getting a Doctorate from UC Berkeley. My current gf of 3 years is of Irish, English and Italian heritage.
Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#45'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…
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Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#46'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…
Yeah, basically it sucks. As another commenter stated, it's just the nature of the game. In this arena, for females, being asian is often an asset, but for males a liability. There's sometimes an elitist air among asian women that they can do "better" than settling for an asian man. At least in my experience, it gets better with age. When women begin favoring stability over excitement/looks, the things you can contro…
As a white male who has dated Asian females in the past (and is currently in a relationship with a white woman, if you must know, and to ward off the inevitable charges of "yellow fever"), I find at least part of this sentiment highly irritating. I'm really not sorry at all for "taking" something from you that you don't "own" to begin with. They aren't "your" women and they can date whoever they want to. They're not "betraying" anyone in dating outside of their race. (I use quotes not to quote you but rather others who have made similar arguments).
This basic idea, that you can't even get the women you were entitled to by your birthright, is based on fundamentally flawed assumptions.
Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#47Typical WSJ red scare claptrap. This paper is seriously still caught in the McCarthy era, especially when it comes to anything at all related to Asia. Sure this article seems positive on the surface, but underneath it all is a deep, abiding, white fear of being overtaken as the dominant racial group.
Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, basically it sucks. As another commenter stated, it's just the nature of the game. In this arena, for females, being asian is often an asset, but for males a liability. There's sometimes an elitist air among asian women that they can do "better" than settling for an asian man. At least in my experience, it gets better with age. When women begin favoring stability over excitement/looks, the things you can contro…
As a white male who has dated Asian females in the past (and is currently in a relationship with a white woman, if you must know, and to ward off the inevitable charges of "yellow fever"), I find at least part of this sentiment highly irritating. I'm really not sorry at all for "taking" something from you that you don't "own" to begin with. They aren't "your" women and they can date whoever they want to. They're not…
I think you read differently from me, I did not saw anything you answered for in the above comment.
Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reversion to the mean always kicks in. Give immigrant Asians 30 more years -and you'll see them well integrated and achieving the same as average Americans Yeah, just like Americans of Jewish ancestry! A group that came over most poor and not speaking the language very well and with low social capital and mostly did very well, and whose children did very well will revert all the way to average.
The vast majority of that can be explained by randomness, the extreme variance of small samples and inappropriate use of the fundamental attribution error. Minorities live or die not because of anything intrinsic - but merely because of prevailing environmental forces. The "Jewish-success", like the article's "Asian-success", is merely a statistical fluke, just as is the failure of other oppressed minorities througho…
Jews are over-represented in high status professions in every western county. They comprise ~0.2% of the world's population and have won 38% of Nobel prizes.
That is not just a "statistical fluke".
It is reasonable to believe that Asians will continue to outperform whites for an indefinite period of time, until some sort of demographic upset.
Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, basically it sucks. As another commenter stated, it's just the nature of the game. In this arena, for females, being asian is often an asset, but for males a liability. There's sometimes an elitist air among asian women that they can do "better" than settling for an asian man. At least in my experience, it gets better with age. When women begin favoring stability over excitement/looks, the things you can contro…
As a white male who has dated Asian females in the past (and is currently in a relationship with a white woman, if you must know, and to ward off the inevitable charges of "yellow fever"), I find at least part of this sentiment highly irritating. I'm really not sorry at all for "taking" something from you that you don't "own" to begin with. They aren't "your" women and they can date whoever they want to. They're not…
> There's sometimes an elitist air among asian women that they can do "better" than settling for an asian man.
This is probably what you're responding to. Read this as the perception held by some asian guys. I don't mean that asian girls should feel obligated in any way to "their group". It's just that they sometimes go out of their way to associate outside of it. It's not to their detriment because everyone's preference is their right. I'm merely noting that the demographic most likely to connect with asian males due to physical/cultural familiarity is still somewhat disinclined to accept them. This situation does not need correction; I'm only trying to identify with the parent commenter.