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Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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I wonder how much of this is because American immigration policy is basically a high-pass filter for Asians. When my dad came over in 1959, pretty much the only way you could immigrate to the U.S. was to be highly educated and work your ass off to impress some organization that would sponsor you. Nowadays it's much the same thing with the H1-B system: one of the largest categories of Asian visas is specifically to br…

Your statement reminds of some colleges here in India which admit only the best students and then claim to produce the best results. The fact is you can build a hub where the best can gather and produce the best results. You can then claim that you will take in the best, because the results or so. This can go on in a never ending cycle.

@kamaal, it's the same story everywhere. I think you haven't understood it at all.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

This is probably cultural rather than any objective reason for it.

If you go to Asia, you shouldn't have any problems. But here in the West where most people are white, and what's portrayed as handsome and sexy in the media, arts, and culturally significant works like movies will predominantly be white people.

I theorize that the reason Asian women will fair a little better is because the society here is still patriarchal and therefore the males are the dominant force in relationships (and they obviously will be much less likely to pick Asian males). This is probably why you see White male - Asian female couples being portrayed more often. A TV show or movie will most likely have a white male protagonist and he will then have his pick of women.

Women in the West like to be tanned. Women in the east like to be fair-skinned. The perception of beauty or handsomeness appears to all be subjective.

Here are some Asian Male white Female cases:

Bruce Lee and his wife

Jackie Chan was in a kung-fu movie where he ended up going out with Jennifer Love Hewitt at the end.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

According to one online dating study [1], asian men can compensate with income to appeal to a white woman. An asian guy must make $247,000 more than a white guy for them to have the same appeal to a white woman. [1] page 49, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=895442

That's a fascinating paper, thanks.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

This is probably cultural rather than any objective reason for it. If you go to Asia, you shouldn't have any problems. But here in the West where most people are white, and what's portrayed as handsome and sexy in the media, arts, and culturally significant works like movies will predominantly be white people. I theorize that the reason Asian women will fair a little better is because the society here is still patria…

> If you go to Asia, you shouldn't have any problems. But here in the West where most people are white, and what's portrayed as handsome and sexy in the media, arts, and culturally significant works like movies will predominantly be white people.

Actually, if you go to Asia, the same imbalance is found - white men have an amazingly easy time of picking up women there, without even knowing the local language and/or customs. Asian women who have never even left their home countries and can barely speak English see white guys as handsome and sexy.

In fact, white guys who couldn't get any action in the West (with white women) find tons of Asian women in Asia who will literally throw themselves at them. This applies to almost all countries in Asia, regardless of wealth - Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. Ever heard of Charisma Man?[0]

But can you imagine an Asian guy coming to America and doing the same - not knowing English or anything about American customs but trying to pick up American women? He wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding - he'd be laughed out of the clubs (literally).

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charisma_Man

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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Do Indians count as 'Asians' in the American vocabulary? If yes then I can shed some light on why they become so successful. The people who immigrate to the US are basically as somebody mentioned in this thread can pass the 'American high pass filter'. This is true. For a long time here in India, the only employment arena's were civil services(government jobs) where there was absolutely to growth, Medicine, Or Engine…

> Do Indians count as 'Asians' in the American vocabulary? If yes then I can shed some light on why they become so successful. No. Asians refers to people from East Asia. The terminology is different in England, I believe.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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You mean small selective sampling mixed with faulty reasoning. Immigrants are usually self-selected hard working, smart and relatively rich (otherwise you can't afford to emigrate), risk taking people - because you'd otherwise have a lot of trouble surviving in America. Stating "Asian-American" success, is like stating "Harvard-American" success - your sample is already biased. Reversion to the mean always kicks in.…

Reversion to the mean always kicks in. Give immigrant Asians 30 more years -and you'll see them well integrated and achieving the same as average Americans

Yeah, just like Americans of Jewish ancestry! A group that came over most poor and not speaking the language very well and with low social capital and mostly did very well, and whose children did very well will revert all the way to average.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop complaining. As a card-carrying member of Asian-American yuppie stereotype, I live in the rapidly gentrifying area of East Cambridge, MA. Most of the inner-city kids who live nearby don't have a slightest clue about SAT, much less career-ambitions like BigLaw, med school or engineering school. Guess who else is lowest on the sexual hierarchy? Inner-city black women. But we all fixate on the attractive Asian and…

Also, poor people in Dorchester shouldn't complain because they have it much better than people in the developing world. Obviously it's a matter of degree. The poster is complaining about a real phenomenon.

I agree it's a real phenomenon. I and my buddy go out a lot in Boston to pick up chicks, we get blown out 80% of the time right away, then conversation/interaction dies 80% of the time before we ask for number, then chick flakes 70% of time after text, then interest dies on first date 70% of the time. Well, but if you get past that all these probabilities and first date, well, the chick is pretty into you that you pretty have to shoot yourself in the foot to screw it up. You just have to be persistent and shameless. Mostly shameless.

Chris Paul is only 6ft tall and he's one of the elite players in the NBA. Also see Nate Robinson (5ft 8), Allen Iverson (6 ft), Isiah Thomas (5ft 8) who at one point scores 15+ pt. What these guys lack in height, they make up for in speed, ball-handling, shooting and playing smart. In fact, there are plenty of guys in the NBA who are 7-footers who are slow-footed, can't shoot and can't play and purely there for their size (see Kwame Brown, Michael Olowokandi, all 1st draft picks).

Now ever seen WASP frat boys hollering their fraternity alphabets, rich boys crusing in their Porsche, Maserati's or preppy guys in ivy league schools clutching onto their Andover/Exeter letter jackets, well those are the Kawme Brown/Kandiman of the world. Let them go to Goldman Sachs/Skadden/McKinsey whatever and I'm sure the groupies, both the Asian-wanabe's and the high-society gold-diggers will follow that well-beaten path.

You and I, bro, we are the lucky one's. We have been dealt the hand of having the opportunity to actually better our circumstances without falling back to a silver spoon that was put in our mouth at birth. I agree, Asian chicks are shallow but so are we. But what doesn't change is that human beings are crass animals. In high schools, they'll love the QB in home-coming games but in mid-twenties, they'll try to get their way desperately into high-society cocktail parties full of doctors and lawyers.

So don't caught up in this whole rat-race pretension-sexual-socio-economical game. Dont' play the coy game, if you want sex, just ask for it and if she doesn't put out, next her. Same thing goes for raises at the job, more responsibilities professionally or asking your buddy to do some social/recreational activity you want to do. You'll get blown out a lot of times, but that's the whole point. Be honest with yourself; no, it's not the Asian girls you are complaining about but the upwardly mobile, attractive white-washed Asian and white girls that you feel sexually frustrated about.

But it's okay, that's what you want to go for; then be prepared to put in the work like CP3 and AI.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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post #3

'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

> nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive This complaint is common, but I also find it a little bizarre. Do ugly women get super offended when guys all want to date attractive women?

> "Do ugly women get super offended when guys all want to date attractive women?"

I've seen it, so without speaking for the entirety of a gender: sure, it happens.

Getting excluded from the dating pool because of something you have little/no control over fucking blows, I can see why anyone would be pissed. Applies to anything - age, race, attractiveness, you name it.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop complaining. As a card-carrying member of Asian-American yuppie stereotype, I live in the rapidly gentrifying area of East Cambridge, MA. Most of the inner-city kids who live nearby don't have a slightest clue about SAT, much less career-ambitions like BigLaw, med school or engineering school. Guess who else is lowest on the sexual hierarchy? Inner-city black women. But we all fixate on the attractive Asian and…

Also, poor people in Dorchester shouldn't complain because they have it much better than people in the developing world. Obviously it's a matter of degree. The poster is complaining about a real phenomenon.

To noname123: "I and my buddy go out a lot in Boston to pick up chicks, we get blown out 80% of the time right away, then conversation/interaction dies 80% of the time before we ask for number, then chick flakes 70% of time after text, then interest dies on first date 70% of the time."

This sounds pretty normal for the bar "pick-up" scene, though. You may have overinflated expectations of the success rates of others.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

I hear you, but believe it or not it's slowly but surely changing.

On the bright side, "Asian male" in the USA may mean a severe handicap (order of magnitude really) in the dating arena vs. "white male", but it's also a tremendous advantage over "black male", "hispanic male", and "south asian male".

All in all as an east Asian, not complaining too much. It could be much, much worse.

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