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Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

Stop complaining. As a card-carrying member of Asian-American yuppie stereotype, I live in the rapidly gentrifying area of East Cambridge, MA. Most of the inner-city kids who live nearby don't have a slightest clue about SAT, much less career-ambitions like BigLaw, med school or engineering school. Guess who else is lowest on the sexual hierarchy? Inner-city black women. But we all fixate on the attractive Asian and…

Also, poor people in Dorchester shouldn't complain because they have it much better than people in the developing world.

Obviously it's a matter of degree. The poster is complaining about a real phenomenon.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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I find this as interesting as Katy Perry voting for Obama. There are about 4.2 billion (60%) people living in Asia. If they weren't affecting the U.S. — something would be very odd. I am not surprised that they're doing well as they are not forced to emigrate. EDIT: 'Katy', apparently.

Katy.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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Do Indians count as 'Asians' in the American vocabulary? If yes then I can shed some light on why they become so successful.

The people who immigrate to the US are basically as somebody mentioned in this thread can pass the 'American high pass filter'. This is true. For a long time here in India, the only employment arena's were civil services(government jobs) where there was absolutely to growth, Medicine, Or Engineering. But either way you had to depend working on a public sector company, which are basically massive bureaucracies whose whole intention was to run a massive payroll for to provide people with jobs. So you had only a few options in your career as an Indian.

Obviously those Indians when they immigrated to the US prospered, there is a big reason for that. Starved for opportunities, growth and wealth here they pounced on anything and everything they got and made very good use of it. Its called 'milking the opportunity', however most people I know have told me although they got what they wanted, 'It was not worth it'- any Indian immigrating to the US is basically immigrating for his kids. His whole life is likely to go towards building that platform for his kids so that they can lead a better life. He has to start from a scratch, he needs to build a family, connections, social circles etc. Nearly everything you can ever imagine has to start from the scratch. And that is difficult you are likely to go into your late forties to early fifties doing that.

That scenario is rapidly changing today. Besides, most of the 'developing countries' you can talk of are doing very well today. Recently a relative of mine who has immigrated to US had to fly down due to a family medical emergency. He was shocked and surprised to how much Bangalore has changed just in 12-15 years. He even admitted that reasons why people left India to go the US are quickly drying out.

Indian is seeing a unique period in its growth, I mean the youth even a decade back used to look our growth story as a momentary spur and 'Nothing much is going to happen in this country' attitude. That is rapidly changing. More and more people I've met are confident about things here. There are start ups coming up all over the place, People are more open to taking risks. Basically the Indian economy and country as a whole is maturing rather rapidly. Infrastructure development is massive, and I can tell you in another 15-20 years India would have prospered so much it will make current day immigration decisions look bad.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

According to one online dating study [1], asian men can compensate with income to appeal to a white woman. An asian guy must make $247,000 more than a white guy for them to have the same appeal to a white woman. [1] page 49, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=895442

Or you know... just compensate in old good personality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Ixzp94ksw (Asian guy in weelchair doing pretty good)

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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You mean small selective sampling mixed with faulty reasoning.

Immigrants are usually self-selected hard working, smart and relatively rich (otherwise you can't afford to emigrate), risk taking people - because you'd otherwise have a lot of trouble surviving in America. Stating "Asian-American" success, is like stating "Harvard-American" success - your sample is already biased.

Reversion to the mean always kicks in. Give immigrant Asians 30 more years - and you'll see them well integrated and achieving the same as average Americans.

People centric exceptionalism is vastly overrated - what's more important is the wind at their backs (cheap resources/labour/stable society/technology convergence) and the benefits they receive when they are born (rich/schooling/health/connections).

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to one online dating study [1], asian men can compensate with income to appeal to a white woman. An asian guy must make $247,000 more than a white guy for them to have the same appeal to a white woman. [1] page 49, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=895442

Or you know... just compensate in old good personality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Ixzp94ksw (Asian guy in weelchair doing pretty good)

Physical disabilities garner sympathy, being non-white does not.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you know... just compensate in old good personality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Ixzp94ksw (Asian guy in weelchair doing pretty good)

Physical disabilities garner sympathy, being non-white does not.

They were not even mad when he stood up to reveal he is not actually disabled; and there are another bunch of videos when they dress as ridicule as possible and still get away with it.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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I wonder how much of this is because American immigration policy is basically a high-pass filter for Asians. When my dad came over in 1959, pretty much the only way you could immigrate to the U.S. was to be highly educated and work your ass off to impress some organization that would sponsor you. Nowadays it's much the same thing with the H1-B system: one of the largest categories of Asian visas is specifically to br…

Your statement reminds of some colleges here in India which admit only the best students and then claim to produce the best results. The fact is you can build a hub where the best can gather and produce the best results. You can then claim that you will take in the best, because the results or so. This can go on in a never ending cycle.

The IITs and IIMs.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

According to one online dating study [1], asian men can compensate with income to appeal to a white woman. An asian guy must make $247,000 more than a white guy for them to have the same appeal to a white woman. [1] page 49, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=895442

The implication of that study is either that Asian men are really unattractive to white women, or attractiveness is less sensitive to income than people assume.

Re: Rise of the Tiger Nation: Asian-American Success

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'Success' As an Asian male, even though I might be highly educated, make a comfortable amount of money, own properties, be a productive citizen (blah blah blah), nothing softens the blow of hearing women (both Asian and non-Asian) saying they'd never date an Asian guy or saying Asian guys aren't attractive. Or seeing advertisements/movies that always show mixed couples as White male - Asian female. Or watching 21st c…

Yeah, basically it sucks. As another commenter stated, it's just the nature of the game. In this arena, for females, being asian is often an asset, but for males a liability. There's sometimes an elitist air among asian women that they can do "better" than settling for an asian man.

At least in my experience, it gets better with age. When women begin favoring stability over excitement/looks, the things you can control become more of a factor such as career, maturity, interests. As long as you're financially stable and reasonably normal (no basement full of blow up dolls) you stand a good chance, I think.

Also, this is a tough area for asian guys, but you're going to have to find a way to exude confidence. This is somewhat circular since society is not really reinforcing your self esteem, but it's up to you to break that cycle. In my case, I pretty much gave up on relationships and then they started happening. I guess people seem more secure when they don't care? (Oh, and don't be bitter. Bitter people suck to be around.)

I'm married now (to an asian girl) and even though women cannot be blamed for having a preference, I still can't help feeling injustice at this predicament. Anyway, I said "you" in this comment a lot, but I mean it generally and it's written just as some offhand advice for my asian brothers out there. But for you personally, I just wanted to say "I feel ya, bro".

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