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OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by CommieBobDole »

MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #10

> Altman decided to let GPT-5 take a stab at a question he didn’t understand. “I put it in the model, this is GPT-5, and it answered it perfectly,” Altman said. If he didn't understand the question how could he know the model answered it perfectly ?

>If he didn't understand the question how could he know the model answered it perfectly?

Also, 'thing that I don't know about but is broadly and uncontroversially known and documented by others' is sort of dead center of the value proposition for current-generation LLMs and also doesn't make very impressive marketing copy.

Unless he's saying that he fed it an unknown-to-experts-in-the-field question and it figured it out in which case I am very skeptical.

Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by andsoitis »

dragonwriter wrote: post #14
MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #10

> Altman decided to let GPT-5 take a stab at a question he didn’t understand. “I put it in the model, this is GPT-5, and it answered it perfectly,” Altman said. If he didn't understand the question how could he know the model answered it perfectly ?

It takes a really special kind of self-delusion to recognize that you don't understand the question and also think you are qualified to evaluate the answer.

Couldn’t someone who does understand it verify for you?

Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by ml-anon »

tootie wrote: post #9
WhatsName wrote: post #5

If it were any good I would assume there would be no need to hype it up. My theory is that LLMs will get commoditized within the next year. The edge that OpenAI had over the competition is arguably lost. If the trend continues we will be looking at inference like commodity prices, where the most efficient like cerebras and groq will be the only ones actually making money at the end.

The fact that xAI only exists for Elon Musk's personal spite and they produced a top performing model certainly implies that model training isn't any kind of moat. It's certainly very expensive but not mysterious.

“Top performing model”

Ie overfit to benchmarks.

Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by ml-anon »

MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #10

> Altman decided to let GPT-5 take a stab at a question he didn’t understand. “I put it in the model, this is GPT-5, and it answered it perfectly,” Altman said. If he didn't understand the question how could he know the model answered it perfectly ?

World class grifter grifting hard

Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by butterlettuce »

pmdr wrote: post #11

What's the point of this article besides free propaganda? It seems to me like every other AI shop except for OpenAI and possibly Anthropic only gets mentioned once they actually release something.

Probably because OpenAI is the best at this than any other player in the game. They’re on their way to replacing Google as the #1 search engine. Instead of “google it” it’s going to be “gpt it”, and we all know who “gpt” is.

Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by kabes »

butterlettuce wrote: post #46
pmdr wrote: post #11

What's the point of this article besides free propaganda? It seems to me like every other AI shop except for OpenAI and possibly Anthropic only gets mentioned once they actually release something.

Probably because OpenAI is the best at this than any other player in the game. They’re on their way to replacing Google as the #1 search engine. Instead of “google it” it’s going to be “gpt it”, and we all know who “gpt” is.

Not sure. Since Google started to include a Gemini response on top of their search results I stopped using chatgpt for search

Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by moralestapia »

kabes wrote: post #47
butterlettuce wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because OpenAI is the best at this than any other player in the game. They’re on their way to replacing Google as the #1 search engine. Instead of “google it” it’s going to be “gpt it”, and we all know who “gpt” is.

Not sure. Since Google started to include a Gemini response on top of their search results I stopped using chatgpt for search

Funny, the AI summary makes the experience shittier for me.

The UI jumps and everything moves, I now have to wait until it loads. Massive UX mistake, you learn this the first week you make websites ...

Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by asadotzler »

zuminator wrote: post #23
MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #10

> Altman decided to let GPT-5 take a stab at a question he didn’t understand. “I put it in the model, this is GPT-5, and it answered it perfectly,” Altman said. If he didn't understand the question how could he know the model answered it perfectly ?

There's plenty of things to roast Altman about, but this isn't really one of them. A specialized problem might not be understood by someone unversed in that field even if the solution is simple and knowable. "What is the Euler characteristic of a torus?" for a rudimentary off-the-cuff example. Altman could easily know or check the answer ("0") without ever understanding the meaning of the question.

There's nothing new in your claim (or his) that wasn't 100% the case with GPT4. This is Altman's brag on GPT5, not generative AI in general, so it's gotta say something it couldn't about GPT4 or it's just bullshit filler.

Re: OpenAI prepares to launch GPT-5 in August

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Post by asadotzler »

amohn9 wrote: post #18
MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #10

> Altman decided to let GPT-5 take a stab at a question he didn’t understand. “I put it in the model, this is GPT-5, and it answered it perfectly,” Altman said. If he didn't understand the question how could he know the model answered it perfectly ?

This statement is definitely just marketing hype, but if we're being pedantic there are tons of questions that are hard to answer but have easy to verify solutions, e.g. all NP-complete problems.

There's also nothing here that wasn't true of GPT4 so why is bragging about it for GPT5 something notable?
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