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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by dzhiurgis »

saaaaaam wrote: post #21
bell-cot wrote: post #4

Legal Action Possibilities: - Product not as advertised, because it failed to disclose the need for a smart phone model supported by their app, and WiFi, and an internet connection, and etc. - Product is not ADA(?) compliant, because all that extra complexity makes using it too difficult for some disabled people. - Product is in violation of data security regulations of some US States, or countries, or the EU, becaus…

You don’t need to use the app to operate the dishwasher. It works absolutely fine as a dumb dishwasher.

Don't tell me what I need and don't need...

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by Spivak »

Avamander wrote: post #9
pavel_lishin wrote: post #5

I suppose this means that in the future, when I shop for a home appliance, I'll have to download their manual first and scan for things like this.

Unfortunately unavoidable unless you take the cheapest model and miss out on a lot of features you might otherwise like.

The design of dishwashers has been fundamentally the same since their invention. The only real differentiating feature is having a sanitize setting but even cheap dishwashers have that these days.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by btbuildem »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #5

I suppose this means that in the future, when I shop for a home appliance, I'll have to download their manual first and scan for things like this.

In that near future, you should be able to use some kind of an AI Assistant to do this for you

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by dhosek »

I have this same dishwasher in my apartment (installed by my landlord). It’s not just that it requires a cloud connection for the features, but that the setup is so janky and bug-ridden that I’ve been unable to successfully make it happen.

So I just live without the extra features.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by kulahan »

jmholla wrote: post #17

> When I posted on social media about this, a lot of people told me to return it. > > But I spent four hours installing this thing built into my kitchen. I sympathize with the author and what Bosch is doing here is ridiculous and I am fully against it. But, they're not going to care about your complaints. Returning it and hitting them in the pocketbook is really the only way consumers have to send messages that compa…

If your audience is big enough, your complaints can end up hitting their pocket book.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by btbuildem »

One thing I've learned when buying a full set of appliances couple of years ago: don't read consumer reports or reviews by randos on the internet -- instead, go to industry literature, and read reports by/for service and warranty providers. They have actual hard data on the types and frequency of problems across brands and models.

But back to the main theme of the article: hell to the no was my initial attitude, and I went out of my way to make sure my appliances were as simple as possible. Still, three out of the five were "wifi-enabled" and promised a world of app-enhanced wonders. Needless to say, none of these ever even got anywhere near being set up, and I think I am lucky, all the normal, expected appliance features work without requiring these extras.

The idea of remotely preheating my oven while I am not home still makes me shudder.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by kulahan »

deadfece wrote: post #15

Netgear did a switcharoo on me after the fact with my Nighthawk. When I got it, I was able to just open the app and manage it locally. I don't remember what it was but the thing I was after definitely worked a lot better from the app. Then they updated it and required you to make a Netgear account to manage your local device. I was able to trick it into thinking I was offline for a while, and I found that would let m…

I am so done with accounts. I purposely use insecure passwords on sites that make me create an account just to view content. I don’t give a shit if someone hacks into my Logitech mouse software account. I really don’t. In fact, the pain it would cause the company would be very positive for me.

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Post by NegatioN »

When buying a new washing machine and dryer, I actually spent hours extra to find models /without/ app requirements last summer. There were so few of them that did what I wanted, and also didn't require internet access that I'm worried the next time around there will be no more options where I can elect to keep them off the net. :/

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by odysseus »

btbuildem wrote: post #47

One thing I've learned when buying a full set of appliances couple of years ago: don't read consumer reports or reviews by randos on the internet -- instead, go to industry literature, and read reports by/for service and warranty providers. They have actual hard data on the types and frequency of problems across brands and models. But back to the main theme of the article: hell to the no was my initial attitude, and…

Where can you find these service/warranty reports?
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