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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by saaaaaam »

bell-cot wrote: post #4

Legal Action Possibilities: - Product not as advertised, because it failed to disclose the need for a smart phone model supported by their app, and WiFi, and an internet connection, and etc. - Product is not ADA(?) compliant, because all that extra complexity makes using it too difficult for some disabled people. - Product is in violation of data security regulations of some US States, or countries, or the EU, becaus…

You don’t need to use the app to operate the dishwasher. It works absolutely fine as a dumb dishwasher.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by saaaaaam »

I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died.

I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher.

Very quickly, I loved it.

It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished.

Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That was good too.

But with the Bosch one I can do things like mute it (so it keeps washing but more quietly), or make custom programmes (spray harder on the bottom rack because I’ve been baking).

When I moved I bought my own. And then bought a matching smart washer dryer.

I was really really skeptical of internet connected appliances like this. I wouldn’t return to a dumb appliance.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by cf100clunk »

saaaaaam wrote: post #21
bell-cot wrote: post #4

Legal Action Possibilities: - Product not as advertised, because it failed to disclose the need for a smart phone model supported by their app, and WiFi, and an internet connection, and etc. - Product is not ADA(?) compliant, because all that extra complexity makes using it too difficult for some disabled people. - Product is in violation of data security regulations of some US States, or countries, or the EU, becaus…

You don’t need to use the app to operate the dishwasher. It works absolutely fine as a dumb dishwasher.

Competing brands offer the blocked features without any need for this sort of connectivity, so I'd say ''It works absolutely fine as a dumb dishwasher'' would not be a strong marketing slogan for Bosch.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by nicolaslem »

saaaaaam wrote: post #23

I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died. I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher. Very quickly, I loved it. It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That…

I am willing to bet that these features you started relying on will stop working within five years.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by cf100clunk »

saaaaaam wrote: post #23

I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died. I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher. Very quickly, I loved it. It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That…

Almost any washer and dryer on the market now has an audible signal (some adjustable for pitch and volume) when the cycle is done, but if you need your phone or watch to be pinged then I guess that's a selling point for you.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by dpc_01234 »

saaaaaam wrote: post #23

I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died. I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher. Very quickly, I loved it. It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That…

> It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished.

Most dishwashers will play a tune or something, and I can't see why would I want another digitalized distraction in my life instead. But TBH I can't imagine why I would want to wear another portable digital distraction source on my wrist, so maybe I'm just old fashioned.

> Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished.

This and everything else does not require network connectivity. Only notification does. Plus maybe remote start (already have that with a "delay" on the panel of mine), some UI for statistics. Gimmicks, if you ask me.

Connectivity in devices would make sense for certain conveniences in a perfect world, where companies can be trusted to behave decently. In practice they will brick (on purpose or accident/hack), ransom it in one way or the other, demand sourcing consumables from them after the fact, sell your privacy who knows where.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by ryandrake »

nicolaslem wrote: post #25
saaaaaam wrote: post #23

I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died. I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher. Very quickly, I loved it. It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That…

I am willing to bet that these features you started relying on will stop working within five years.

I'd also make that but, but only at ten years. It's unlikely but possible that the manufacturer might actually keep the backend service running for 5-10 years without it failing from incompetence or doing a deliberate rug pull. But, I'd surely bet its gone in ten years.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by geerlingguy »

saaaaaam wrote: post #21
bell-cot wrote: post #4

Legal Action Possibilities: - Product not as advertised, because it failed to disclose the need for a smart phone model supported by their app, and WiFi, and an internet connection, and etc. - Product is not ADA(?) compliant, because all that extra complexity makes using it too difficult for some disabled people. - Product is in violation of data security regulations of some US States, or countries, or the EU, becaus…

You don’t need to use the app to operate the dishwasher. It works absolutely fine as a dumb dishwasher.

Every other dishwasher in the price range offers the same features hidden behind the app out of the box.

This one would be fine as a 'dumb' dishwasher, but I wouldn't have paid $900 for a $400 dishwasher if I'd known all the nicer features (like Eco mode or self-cleaning) require an app.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by MostlyStable »

saaaaaam wrote: post #23

I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died. I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher. Very quickly, I loved it. It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That…

None of these features require the cloud (which was the actual complaint in the video, not just the wifi). All of them could be run locally. Unless you think it's important to get that notification on your wrist when you aren't home, then I still don't see why these features are _cloud_ features. And even then, basic functionality like running a rinse cycle (again: the example from the video) shouldn't require an app, local or otherwise.

Yes, smart features can be a great convenience, but they shouldn't come at the expense of basic functionality, and they should only use the cloud when actually required. Very, very rarely are these smart features inherently a cloud feature. Exceptions being things like the stated in the video case of things like cameras/other home security devices.

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