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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by pavel_lishin »

Avamander wrote: post #9
pavel_lishin wrote: post #5

I suppose this means that in the future, when I shop for a home appliance, I'll have to download their manual first and scan for things like this.

Unfortunately unavoidable unless you take the cheapest model and miss out on a lot of features you might otherwise like.

My current dishwasher - purchased last year - doesn't require any internet connectivity for any of its features. I don't think it even has the option to connect.

(Although it does have the shitty capacitative buttons that I can never tell whether I've pushed or not.)

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by CharlieDigital »

Avamander wrote: post #9
pavel_lishin wrote: post #5

I suppose this means that in the future, when I shop for a home appliance, I'll have to download their manual first and scan for things like this.

Unfortunately unavoidable unless you take the cheapest model and miss out on a lot of features you might otherwise like.

I have a pretty high end LG washer/dryer combo that I purchased when I bought my current house (10 years old now, knock on wood; just been a workhorse). It has a steam cycle that has been used maaaaybe 3 times in that period? Of course, it doesn't work quite as well as just ironing...

I inherited an old Maytag dishwasher with the same house that I never got around to replacing. It has like 5-10 cycles...and we only ever use the 1. I have variously thought about replacing it because it is like car engine loud, but it runs a fast cycle and does a decent job and has been bulletproof so far.

Honestly, a lot of these added features feel like weird gimmicks nowadays created by product and marketing teams to differentiate to the consumer shopping based on feature lists and not necessarily to actually add value.

Who's making the workhorse stuff nowadays?

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by mmmlinux »

Avamander wrote: post #9
pavel_lishin wrote: post #5

I suppose this means that in the future, when I shop for a home appliance, I'll have to download their manual first and scan for things like this.

Unfortunately unavoidable unless you take the cheapest model and miss out on a lot of features you might otherwise like.

Sounds like you end up missing out on a lot of features either way.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by alphan0n »

bell-cot wrote: post #4

Legal Action Possibilities: - Product not as advertised, because it failed to disclose the need for a smart phone model supported by their app, and WiFi, and an internet connection, and etc. - Product is not ADA(?) compliant, because all that extra complexity makes using it too difficult for some disabled people. - Product is in violation of data security regulations of some US States, or countries, or the EU, becaus…

Appliance manufacturers are not required to manufacture ADA compliant appliances.

Employers, state and local governments, businesses open to the public, commercial facilities, transportation providers, etc, are required to procure ADA compliant appliances where applicable.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by deadfece »

Netgear did a switcharoo on me after the fact with my Nighthawk. When I got it, I was able to just open the app and manage it locally. I don't remember what it was but the thing I was after definitely worked a lot better from the app. Then they updated it and required you to make a Netgear account to manage your local device. I was able to trick it into thinking I was offline for a while, and I found that would let me log in locally, but eventually that quit working too. I uninstalled the app and then just managed it from Firefox mobile. Their web UI wasn't remotely good, but it worked. Luckily I didn't have to make a ton of changes to it from there on out, since I was just using it as an AP at that point. When I moved, I got a much better AP for the new place.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by cf100clunk »

> And on my GE Amana dishwasher, it started having weird power issues > like the controls would just not light up unless I reset the circuit breaker

It was eerie to read that, because at ~10 years old my GE Profile dishwasher's logic board died and exhibited all those same behaviours. I followed great advice from techs but then faced the same issue: $400 to get another board, but why gamble?

I purchased a KitchenAid (with front facing, well lit and described buttons) and it has been great, with no WiFi requirement, and I felt the Bosch models were overpriced.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by jmholla »

> When I posted on social media about this, a lot of people told me to return it.

>

> But I spent four hours installing this thing built into my kitchen.

I sympathize with the author and what Bosch is doing here is ridiculous and I am fully against it.

But, they're not going to care about your complaints. Returning it and hitting them in the pocketbook is really the only way consumers have to send messages that companies hear.

It's a pain, but if you truly care about this, you, sadly, have to put in extra effort to fight back.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by Neonlicht »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #12
Avamander wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately unavoidable unless you take the cheapest model and miss out on a lot of features you might otherwise like.

I have a pretty high end LG washer/dryer combo that I purchased when I bought my current house (10 years old now, knock on wood; just been a workhorse). It has a steam cycle that has been used maaaaybe 3 times in that period? Of course, it doesn't work quite as well as just ironing... I inherited an old Maytag dishwasher with the same house that I never got around to replacing. It has like 5-10 cycles...and we only e…

I always think that if you have a very expensive dress you're better of bringing it to a professional dry cleaner service anyway.
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