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Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by w0m »

Lanolderen wrote: post #32
Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, this is one of the biggest boons for Linux. If your stuff isn't gonna work on Win11 and it isn't gonna work on Linux, so either way you need to make a change, then why not pick Linux? The barrier to entry for Win11 is much closer to the barrier to entry for Linux now in terms of program compatibility, so it's an easier choice than it's been in the past. (obviously I'm still not gonna recommend Linux to some…

The barrier to entry is definitely still lower for Win11. I could install it and be productive in it day 1. My personal problems with Linux previously were 1- Things breaking seemingly randomly 2- Having to find alternatives to some of the software I use 3- Generally having to learn a new OS 4- Things like VR and games in general being a bit iffy Now games and VR (4) seem to work very well, everything is a webapp so…

Unless you have very specific applications that require* windows; desktop linux has been a great alternative for a decade or longer I think.

> 1- Things breaking seemingly randomly

This is/has always been the kicker; especially with security updates. If you're comfortable switching; just reinstalling in place is the 99% hammer solution to get back and running imo, and isn't that bad as a last-resort.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by dfedbeef »

mrkeen wrote: post #12
p_ing wrote: post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

I had a 16-core 32-thread Threadripper that I was rather fond of. Not good enough for win 11.

I installed win11 on that exact PC and use it every day. Enable the TPM.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by Dalewyn »

sumtechguy wrote: post #26
p_ing wrote: post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

> When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing fixed page files, their opinion is just wrong. interesting. TPM as an optional feature and going forward I would be perfectly fine with. It is a forced feature no one is really asking for. That is why the pushback. Instead it is 'oh ju…

>It is a forced feature no one is really asking for.

Microsoft mandated TPM after gauging both user feedback and real world metrics and finding that TPM helped increase security by a significant margin. I am inclined to believe them.

Techbeards like most of the audience here have a passionate hatred for TPM whether righteously or otherwise. For everyone else in the real world, TPM is at best a security boon and at worst something you don't even know is there.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by psychoslave »

jetbalsa wrote: post #15
Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, this is one of the biggest boons for Linux. If your stuff isn't gonna work on Win11 and it isn't gonna work on Linux, so either way you need to make a change, then why not pick Linux? The barrier to entry for Win11 is much closer to the barrier to entry for Linux now in terms of program compatibility, so it's an easier choice than it's been in the past. (obviously I'm still not gonna recommend Linux to some…

Eh, Linux can still be a crap shoot depending on what you are trying to do. differences in distros are still somewhat vast. Do I target Wayland or X11? Do I target OpenGL or Vulkan, Deb or RPM, or one of the many App in a box (Snap, AppImage, Docker, Etc) Don't get me wrong, its gotten better over the years, but still not at a streamlined experience as one would expect. Don't get me started on the X11/Wayland issue,…

>Eh, Linux can still be a crap shoot depending on what you are trying to do.

Sure, but what system is free of such a generic and vague criticism?

>differences in distros are still somewhat vast.

Yes, and that’s a very positive point, isn’t it?

>Do I target Wayland or X11? Do I target OpenGL or Vulkan, Deb or RPM, or one of the many App in a box (Snap, AppImage, Docker, Etc)

That’s something the actual circumstances should mostly respond to. Is that a green field pet project? Do whatever seems most pleasing! Is that a project for some company? Don’t they already have some existing constraints?

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by vladvasiliu »

p_ing wrote: post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

> Author isn't aware of dislocker. But keep on being smarmy.

I'm not aware of that, either.

But since the author talks about doing this change from Linux, my Arch can handle BitLocker drives "out of the box" (meaning I didn't do anything specific to have that, I just clicked once out of curiosity on a BL drive and it worked). The only "catch" is that it requires the long key, it doesn't support password unlock AFAIK.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by snozolli »

The Windows 11 Explorer titlebar is always colored depression-gray

One of the most baffling aspects of modern Windows is that it's ridiculously hard to tell at a glance which window is active. It used to be that the active window's title bar was bright blue, and everything else was gray. These days, I have two 2560x1440 monitors, which was unimaginable back in the day, and regularly fail to identify which window is active.

Also, the modern Alt-Tab popup often takes two full seconds to appear on my machine. I can't even imagine how they managed that.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by devmor »

Waterluvian wrote: post #31

I have a legal copy of Win 11 and after very carefully scraping all the garbage off of it, I had a gaming and general use system that felt… fine I guess… for months. Then last week I got a full screen “finish setting up windows” that wants me to create a Microsoft account. I have two options: “remind me in 3 days” or “continue… and if you change your mind you can’t actually go back. You have to reboot.” So every thre…

There should be a registry key or GPO setting to override this called “EnableOOBE” or something similar.
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