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Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#31
I have a legal copy of Win 11 and after very carefully scraping all the garbage off of it, I had a gaming and general use system that felt… fine I guess… for months.

Then last week I got a full screen “finish setting up windows” that wants me to create a Microsoft account. I have two options: “remind me in 3 days” or “continue… and if you change your mind you can’t actually go back. You have to reboot.” So every three days I get to be interrupted by this upsell.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#32

Wait until the programs you need to run only work on w11.

Honestly, this is one of the biggest boons for Linux. If your stuff isn't gonna work on Win11 and it isn't gonna work on Linux, so either way you need to make a change, then why not pick Linux? The barrier to entry for Win11 is much closer to the barrier to entry for Linux now in terms of program compatibility, so it's an easier choice than it's been in the past. (obviously I'm still not gonna recommend Linux to some…

The barrier to entry is definitely still lower for Win11. I could install it and be productive in it day 1.

My personal problems with Linux previously were

1- Things breaking seemingly randomly

2- Having to find alternatives to some of the software I use

3- Generally having to learn a new OS

4- Things like VR and games in general being a bit iffy

Now games and VR (4) seem to work very well, everything is a webapp so (2) should be better, (3) is unavoidable really but it's fine as long as (1) doesn't happen too much or at the wrong time.

I've decided to give it a shot again but we shall see if I finally manage to swap over. I've tried it multiple times with dual boot but the time investment isn't small and I'd get skill issue'd once or twice and just not boot to it anymore since I have the option of a fully set up Windows.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I'm going to assume they're too clever for their own good. Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.

I agree windows defender was an absolute game changer, but have you used it in Win11? I upgraded a fairly beefy workstation from win10 to win11 and immediately started to see 10-15x slowdowns on the first run of a task after boot. Things that took 20 seconds were taking 3-4 minutes. I took an etl trace and discovered it was windows defender. Subsequent runs were about 20% worse than on win10.

Adding the folder to the excluded folders didn’t work, nor did adding the compiler to the excluded process list. I ended up disabling windows defender for a while and now I’m using a dev drive which is slower than no-defender but quicker than second run with defender.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#34
post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

> Why would this be an option even? Why allow apps to override a PRIVACY setting? It's like saying, you're allergic to peanuts, but ALLOW waiters to ignore your request, cor. This is becoming so ridiculous I'm struggling to find words to describe my utter disdain and contempt for these low-IQ games.

Author is both complaining about being railroaded and about being given choices paragraphs apart.

> All in all, a meaningless chapter in a meaningless story.

Author is self aware.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#35

I'm glad Dell Refurbished only sells workstations with Windows 10 Pro. It's not a pleasant experience but still way better than Windows 11. I wish they had Windows LTSC though.

I'll be pirating a copy of LTSC when MS stops security updates to 10 Pro.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#36
post #5

If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I'm going to assume they're too clever for their own good. Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.

But WinDefender lies... it can claim to be off, but some parts are still active.

I use a Remote Desktop hack to allow more than one user to be logged in at the same time (e.g. 1 on the physical terminal and 1 over RDP, officially if someone tries to RDP in, the physical user needs to log out), of course it's a hack, and WinDefender classifies this as a malware RAT. Why yes it is a remote access tool, and it's your own, why should it be blocked?

Anyway on Win10, virus and threat protection could be described as off, but clicking "manage settings", there are more toggles, some of them are on, despite the summary saying "it's off". I just looked, a thing called "Real-time protection" has the description "You can turn off this setting for a short time before it turns back on automatically.".

It's definitely not your computer... yeah yeah yeah it's for noobs, and I can probably ask ChatGPT what registry setting I need to tweak to actually turn it off. But all these lies and user hostility!

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#37
post #7

yeah, I've been forced onto it by corporate on my windows machine.. from an aesthetic and usability point of view, there's only negatives.. the ui is even worse than 10, flat and featureless and ugly, looks like a bad prototype theme for gnome, 20 years ago. They somehow managed to take the utter mess that were the settings of windows 10 and redefine the word utter to a new low. I'm sure there's some technical things…

Someone who had worked on the inside commented here that the Windows 10 design team didn't even use Windows, and things suddenly made so much more sense.

I think there's been some interesting changes on the kernel and user-space API side, but it's drowning in the UI shit show.

It's very clear usability is no longer a priority, and they change things just for the sake of change.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#38
post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

I don't have a dog in this race because I haven't used Windows as my primary OS since the Windows 8 days, but my main "makin money" computer, a threadripper 3970X workstation is not officially supported by Windows 11.

Five years after I got it there are very few consumer machines that are as powerful, or can address as much memory.

I know I can make it work through tricks and overrides but that's not good enough for consumers. Not hobbyists, regular people.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#39
post #5

If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I'm going to assume they're too clever for their own good. Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.

I also think Defender is the best AV solution. At the same time, it's a completely useless software, so there's no reason to leave it running. You both can be right. :)

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a Ryzen 1700 that didn't meet the windows 11 tpm standard. It was still working well for everything I threw at it, but I guess a little short of "modern". It still seems a arbitrary cut off for waste though. If TPM is standard enough on hardware surely adoption would happen regardless of OS requirements?

> rather new and ultra-powerful computers > Ryzen 1700 Surely you jest.

what benchmark is it failing to match up to? other than AI work I can't think of a use case for a home machine where it would really be even noticeably slow. certainly it's fine for compiling code and etc. 2017 doesn't really seem old to me since improvements in chips has slowed down.
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