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Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by avaldez_ »

rrnechmech wrote: post #35
rickstanley wrote: post #32

I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode. Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's actin…

> discussion in Jurassic Park about ethics. Care to elaborate?

_Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should_ (?)

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by libria »

avaldez_ wrote: post #41
rrnechmech wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> discussion in Jurassic Park about ethics. Care to elaborate?

_Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should_ (?)

Not sure why this was downvoted, but I also assumed they were referring to this scene, the Hammond + Grant + Sadler + Malcolm + Gennaro lunch debate in the original.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by rrnechmech »

avaldez_ wrote: post #41
rrnechmech wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> discussion in Jurassic Park about ethics. Care to elaborate?

_Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should_ (?)

Of course. That is legendary. Thanks

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by mock-possum »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #11
thih9 wrote: post #5

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Mandalorian Season 2 spoilers below. This article looks relevant: “How Star Wars Deepfake Seriously Improves Luke Skywalker Cameo in The Mandalorian” - the youtuber that did that eventually got hired by ILM. There is also an example with Tarkin. https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-wars-deepfake-luke-skywalk...

It is definitely better but it still has the problem of the original where his face just looks so stiff when he speaks.

It also looks like his face is sort of floating superimposed over the front of his head. I feel like I notice that a lot with deepfake stuff, it’s like the generated patch they’re compositing overtop doesn’t quite move at the same rate as the rest of the thing.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by dwighttk »

ensignavenger wrote: post #12
nordsieck wrote: post #7

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> I enjoyed Rouge One a lot despite of all that. It was my favorite of all the recent Star Wars movies. Not super surprising to me. I've only seen episode 8. And that was enough for me to be completely uninterested in seeing any new Star Wars media. It's made me strangely nostalgic for the prequel trilogy. At the time they came out I was a little sad at how poorly they compared to the original trilogy. But at least t…

Rogue One is by far the best of the Disney "Star Wars" movies, and the only one that fits with the Lucas movies. Highly recommend it.

Connecting Rogue One directly to the beginning of A New Hope really made the Leia / Darth Vader interactions work differently though.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by dwighttk »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #28
vundercind wrote: post #22

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8 is at least the 4th-best Star Wars movie. Rogue one is distantly at 5th. All the rest are quite bad. [edit] though 8’s quality is kinda useless, being in the middle of a trilogy. It’s hard to recommend.

No way. The Last Jedi is the second-worst Star Wars movie, only outdone (somehow) by its sequel. It was terrible .

And that is including the Holiday Special.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by mmastrac »

I can't wait for a re-release of this particular film with the latest deepfake tech integration. It looks quite terrible in the original release -- enough to pull me out of the immersion of the film -- and the fan edits of those scenes are fantastic.

The movie is certainly one of the highlights of the modern SW universe and deserves a bit of additional love to bring it to the modern standards for virtual actors.

Not to say it wasn't an achievement at the time, but it's too far in the uncanny valley as it stands.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by kevingadd »

abetusk wrote: post #38

In my opinion, the failing of Tarkin was one of animation, not so much rendering. If you watch some of the deepfake videos where they swap the original actors face over the CGI version (e.g. [0]), to me, it looks better but the movement is still unnatural. The lips curl, the head bobs, etc. all have a "linear interpolated" look that makes it seem like it was hand animated rather than motion captured by any actor. It…

If it looks interpolated, that suggests to me that the people creating it were in a hurry - and film VFX operations are well known for crunch at this point, so it seems possible that they simply didn't give it enough attention.

Mocap without lots of hand touchups would normally look very noisy/jittery from what I know, so if it looks unnatural and "interpolated" it was probably hand animated in a very coarse way, like high level 'gaze here, tilt head at this point, clear throat' sort of stuff without an artist ever going in and fussing over each frame to make it feel really natural.

In 2D animation you have stages like this, there's the initial storyboard, then the keyframing, and then the inbetweening. The inbetweening can be surprisingly important since it comes down to making the motion between those "key" frames feel natural instead of just a linear interpolation from A to B. The same applies to 3D animation, you want to put anticipation in the right places, have momentum build up or dissipate, have objects overshoot their destination and then snap back, that sort of stuff.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by TacticalCoder »

rickstanley wrote: post #32

I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode. Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's actin…

> I enjoyed Rogue One...

So did I: I love it that it ends just where episode IV start and I like it too, spoiler alert, that the likeable protagonist do not make it (which we knew from episode IV but still).

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