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Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by totoglazer »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #14
tsujamin wrote: post #13

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I remember leaving Rouge One _shocked_ that it was a self contained story, no post credits scenes, no need to commit to an entire trilogy or need to understand half a dozen recent releases. Given Marvel and similar franchises at the cinema around the same period, it was a breath of fresh air (also a great film)

I was just watching the X-Men films. I only went up to 2014, but that appears to be basically contemporary - Rogue One is from 2016 and the MCU apparently has a formal division into phases of which "phase 2" centers on 2014. The X-Men films have the property you want, with plots and characterization included in the movie instead of relying on you to bring them with you in your mind. (Are the later films good? They're…

I don’t think it’s budget, i think it’s about the churn. They want an assembly line of blockbusters at a predictable cadence. If you need a good plot it adds a lot of uncertainty into which script, how long it will take to write, etc. much easier to just take whatever the best thing laying around on the deadline day and keep moving forward.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by rickstanley »

I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode.

Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's acting and facial features.

I feel like, there should be more exploration of Star Wars in the aspect of "mundane" life, like it's done in Andor. There's a big universe already established. Andor really helped me understand 2 things of SW universe: the oppression which built up the motivation for Cassian to join the Rebels, and, effectiveness of the Empire, specifically the ISB. God, the exchange between Daedra Meero and Blevin, with an added mediation of the cunning Major Partagaz was excellent. Reminded me of the discussion in Jurassic Park about ethics.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by [deleted] »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #28
vundercind wrote: post #22

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8 is at least the 4th-best Star Wars movie. Rogue one is distantly at 5th. All the rest are quite bad. [edit] though 8’s quality is kinda useless, being in the middle of a trilogy. It’s hard to recommend.

No way. The Last Jedi is the second-worst Star Wars movie, only outdone (somehow) by its sequel. It was terrible .

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Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by mattnewton »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #28
vundercind wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8 is at least the 4th-best Star Wars movie. Rogue one is distantly at 5th. All the rest are quite bad. [edit] though 8’s quality is kinda useless, being in the middle of a trilogy. It’s hard to recommend.

No way. The Last Jedi is the second-worst Star Wars movie, only outdone (somehow) by its sequel. It was terrible .

I liked it better than the force awakens but I think we could both agree they’re all safely in the “not worth watching” bucket so the order we stack them in there doesn’t matter. (9 definitely is on the bottom though)

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by rrnechmech »

rickstanley wrote: post #32

I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode. Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's actin…

> discussion in Jurassic Park about ethics.

Care to elaborate?

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by prpl »

rickstanley wrote: post #32

I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode. Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's actin…

I liked Andor a lot too, because of the mundane, the prison/cruelty, the guerilla-like warfare, and betrayal.

The mundane existed in episode 4 as well, at least at the beginning.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by avaldez_ »

rickstanley wrote: post #32

I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode. Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's actin…

>God, the exchange between Daedra Meero and Blevin, with an added mediation of the cunning Major Partagaz was excellent.

The writing in that scene is on par with the best in HBO. The political maneuvering and intrigue are reminiscent of House of Cards, and Partagaz stands out as a truly formidable leader.

https://youtu.be/iKl0F640914?si=Mkgy-BTM1cp8m5rQ

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by abetusk »

In my opinion, the failing of Tarkin was one of animation, not so much rendering. If you watch some of the deepfake videos where they swap the original actors face over the CGI version (e.g. [0]), to me, it looks better but the movement is still unnatural. The lips curl, the head bobs, etc. all have a "linear interpolated" look that makes it seem like it was hand animated rather than motion captured by any actor.

It looks like in the article either the system they had in place captured facial expressions or an animator tried to recreate them, so I'm unclear why the facial movement looks so awful. Maybe they captured waypoints and then interpolated and we're seeing the aftereffect of the interpolated system? I don't know.

I remember Logan coming out at around the same time and being blown away by the younger Hugh Jackman. This was a year later than Rogue One and the younger version didn't really speak, so maybe it's not a fair comparison but I don't think there was a good excuse to have such a bad model.

Certainly later, with Luke Skywalker in the Mandalorian or Carrie Fisher in the later Star Wars series, there was no excuse to have had it be so bad.

[0] youtube.com/watch?v=_CXMb_MO3aw

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by omoikane »

PaulHoule wrote: post #4

I enjoyed Rouge One a lot despite of all that. It was my favorite of all the recent Star Wars movies.

I didn't even notice that Tarkin was a CG rendition until this post. I thought they did a wonderful job.

I remember Rogue One as one of the better Star Wars movies, especially with how they patched up certain holes in other movies while remaining mostly self-contained. If Star Wars were software, Rogue One might be more of a "bug fix release" as opposed to a "feature update", and bug fix releases are the best releases.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Post by squarefoot »

ensignavenger wrote: post #12
nordsieck wrote: post #7

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> I enjoyed Rouge One a lot despite of all that. It was my favorite of all the recent Star Wars movies. Not super surprising to me. I've only seen episode 8. And that was enough for me to be completely uninterested in seeing any new Star Wars media. It's made me strangely nostalgic for the prequel trilogy. At the time they came out I was a little sad at how poorly they compared to the original trilogy. But at least t…

Rogue One is by far the best of the Disney "Star Wars" movies, and the only one that fits with the Lucas movies. Highly recommend it.

This. Loved every minute of Rogue One, it worked great as a self contained story, then the finale blended so gracefully with the beginning of Ep IV. That is how a prequel should be made.

Newer SW movies aren't that good, but at least they also aren't as bad as Ep. I, II and III, while it seems they're going on the right direction with most of the series.

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