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Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

nix23 wrote: post #13
logifail wrote: post #9

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> What traditional sense? In the sense of renting != owning

Na it's not really true, you don't rent it (the name), you pay for the administrative work, you still ~have the namerights, like google.com...they own that name, because they are the "creator" of it.

They're not the creator, Verisign created it. And I don't know about Google's specific agreement (they may have paid decades in advance for all we know) but in general if a company forgets to pay they lose their name, there were a few high profile cases like that already. That isn't ownership, that's rent.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by em1sar »

permo-w wrote: post #34
mkmk3 wrote: post #25

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Pretty surprising to me if others agree, if you lease a car you dont own that car, do you?

my parents lease a car. I would regard it as their car, and possibly go so far as to say they own it, if I wasn't thinking too hard about it, and maybe even if I was. it's in their possession.

that's a ridiculous cope, they rent the car they do not own it, the bank owns it

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by em1sar »

furyg3 wrote: post #37
mkmk3 wrote: post #25

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Pretty surprising to me if others agree, if you lease a car you dont own that car, do you?

Depends on how you think about it. You could say that you 'own' it but you have obligations (lease payments) or it will be seized. The same is true for property you 'own', if you don't pay your taxes or fail to manage the property, it will be seized.

not paying taxes on your property is different from not owning something and missing a recurring payment.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

mkmk3 wrote: post #25
iso1631 wrote: post #17

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Ownership rights vary from culture to culture and from country to country. Even in the US you don't get to own something forever, you get to own it until someone takes it off you to build a shopping mall for example. In most countries, leased property is often referred to as "owned", yet you have to keep paying over and over to renew that lease.

Pretty surprising to me if others agree, if you lease a car you dont own that car, do you?

leases are of two kinds technically. operating and finance lease.

one gives you ownership at the start, the second one merely "rents" you the thing

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by hnbad »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #28
iso1631 wrote: post #17

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Ownership rights vary from culture to culture and from country to country. Even in the US you don't get to own something forever, you get to own it until someone takes it off you to build a shopping mall for example. In most countries, leased property is often referred to as "owned", yet you have to keep paying over and over to renew that lease.

Name some of those countries.

Germany. All land belongs to the state, save for some historical claims held by the Catholic church and (I think) former aristocracy.

Note that private property rights still exist on top of that but this is why the state can decide that e.g. an energy company's interest in your land is more beneficial to the people than yours. You'll still get reimbursed although legally speaking I'm not sure the state would have to do that in order to seize it. The difference is that they couldn't do this for land owned by the Catholic church for example.

As a caveat note that not all land used by the Catholic church in Germany is owned by the Catholic church, this really only applies to historical claims and contracts the state decided to uphold.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by gnuj3 »

permo-w wrote: post #34
mkmk3 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty surprising to me if others agree, if you lease a car you dont own that car, do you?

my parents lease a car. I would regard it as their car, and possibly go so far as to say they own it, if I wasn't thinking too hard about it, and maybe even if I was. it's in their possession.

If they will own it at the end of the payments (what we call Hire Purchase in UK) then yes, I’d regard it as their car. If they making monthly payments over certain amount of time and after that time they need to give the car back then no - they just renting it.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by Gigachad »

permo-w wrote: post #35
ibz wrote: post #24

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Free services attract spammers. No surprise. The "free" model is broken. Imagine how easy Twitter would get rid of spam accounts if they only charged a few sats per tweet.

sats?

Very likely referring to “satoshis” which is a small amount of bitcoin.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by asdfaoeu »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #41
nix23 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Na it's not really true, you don't rent it (the name), you pay for the administrative work, you still ~have the namerights, like google.com...they own that name, because they are the "creator" of it.

They're not the creator, Verisign created it. And I don't know about Google's specific agreement (they may have paid decades in advance for all we know) but in general if a company forgets to pay they lose their name, there were a few high profile cases like that already. That isn't ownership, that's rent.

Sure but don't pay your property tax and let me know what happens there.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by hnbad »

permo-w wrote: post #35
ibz wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free services attract spammers. No surprise. The "free" model is broken. Imagine how easy Twitter would get rid of spam accounts if they only charged a few sats per tweet.

sats?

Satoshis. A fractional Bitcoin. Of course the answer is that nobody would use Twitter if that were the case because nobody cares about crypto currencies except for either speculation or fraud.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by logifail »

permo-w wrote: post #34
mkmk3 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty surprising to me if others agree, if you lease a car you dont own that car, do you?

my parents lease a car. I would regard it as their car, and possibly go so far as to say they own it, if I wasn't thinking too hard about it, and maybe even if I was. it's in their possession.

> I would regard it as their car, and possibly go so far as to say they own it, if I wasn't thinking too hard about it, and maybe even if I was. it's in their possession.

Thought experiment: If they were to damage their vehicle (but assuming it's still legal to drive), who gets to decide whether it should - or indeed must - be repaired? Your parents, or someone else?

(Full disclosure: I recently added some scratches to my wife's car after a concrete pillar jumped out in front of me in an underground car park. I don't need to involve the insurance company, I don't need to talk to any bank or finance company, I can simply go to any local independent provider and have the car repaired. Or indeed not, if I decide it's not worth it.)

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