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Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

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Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

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I don't get it. A nuclear accident halfway across the world and Germany decides to shut down. A war halfway across the continent and it decides to keep on? Both threats (nuclear accident and Putin's madness) have always existed. What changed? Did they suddenly discover Putin is not trustworthy to depend on for half of your energy supply?

I see sub $1m revenue businesses doing supply chain risk analysis. Surprised that a great nation such as Germany could justify 50% of it's energy coming from Russia.

Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

#42
post #12

I know this article isn't great, but is there anyone on HN who lives in Germany who could explain why there's such a scepticism of Nuclear power there? I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear for one clear reason - there was no political appetite to spend a tonne of money on an expensive form of energy that wasn't likely to pay off in the current parliamentary term. The german response to N…

> "I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear"

While the UK's nuclear power capacity is well down on its 1990s peak, it's hardly correct to say the UK has "largely" transitioned away from nuclear. A major new nuclear plant (Hinkley Point C) is under construction, and two more (Sizewell C and Bradwell B) seem to still be moving ahead.

If all three are completed, they would represent 8.6 GW of new nuclear capacity, significantly more than the combined capacity of all UK nuclear power stations today!

Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

#43
post #12

I know this article isn't great, but is there anyone on HN who lives in Germany who could explain why there's such a scepticism of Nuclear power there? I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear for one clear reason - there was no political appetite to spend a tonne of money on an expensive form of energy that wasn't likely to pay off in the current parliamentary term. The german response to N…

German here, but I'll be a bit lazy and refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany . I quickly skimmed over it and I think it touches the history well. From my personal perspective, I can definitely relate being nuclear skeptic due to Chernobyl (I was 7 years old at the time) and basically constant demonstrations/problems with the end storage facility subject - for as long as I remember. Also, at…

So how did plans to import natural gas via NS1/NS2 fit into these plans?

Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

#44
When Putin was first elected two decades ago, a lot of my Austrian friends correctly saw in him a threat to Europe. I don't buy it that the German government didn't know him better than the average citizen did. They are just trying to ride whichever wave presents itself at any given moment. In the days of the Fukushima crisis, being against nuclear would get you the most votes. In the days of the Ukraine crisis, being against gas would get you the most votes. While Germany is the one looking bad here, it's actually a structural problem of every democracy in the world.

The other option is to put too much trust in the hands of dictators. Over the course of hundreds of years, that actually seems to work less well (eg: China - given their potential, they should have never had to play catch up). But every once in a while, there are a few decades where an individual comes along that plays all of their cards right and engages in a long game that vastly outperforms the 4-year back and forth circus of democracies.

But I don't trust myself to reliably recruit a front desk colleague, let alone someone with nuclear codes. So democracies it is.

Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

#46
post #12

I know this article isn't great, but is there anyone on HN who lives in Germany who could explain why there's such a scepticism of Nuclear power there? I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear for one clear reason - there was no political appetite to spend a tonne of money on an expensive form of energy that wasn't likely to pay off in the current parliamentary term. The german response to N…

It's associated with waste that no one wants and nuclear weapons that no one wants either. Germany had a SPD/Greens coalition. They decided to not renew the contracts with the nuclear power plants and phase them out (afaik they are allowed to run 25 years, then they need to renew that, sorry missing some vocubaulry here). The next government was CDU/FDP (Merkel 1), who decided to renew the contracts again and cancel…

Yeah, nothing to do with russian gas, dirty money and lobbyists....

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-former-chancellor-gerhard-sch...

https://www.politico.eu/article/outrage-germany-ex-chancello...

Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

#47
post #20
post #8

I don't get it. A nuclear accident halfway across the world and Germany decides to shut down. A war halfway across the continent and it decides to keep on? Both threats (nuclear accident and Putin's madness) have always existed. What changed? Did they suddenly discover Putin is not trustworthy to depend on for half of your energy supply?

What changed is that to move away from nuclear the dependency on Gas has increased. This alleviated the immediate stress levels generated from the nuclear disasters around the world. Then a more immediate threat popped up by Russia invading Ukraine. This makes the gas dependency a liability again. This makes the far away risk of something might go very wrong with nuclear palatable again compared to the gas is risky r…

Large scale nuclear plants - whether alive or dead are important strategic and tactical elements in modern warfare https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/02/26/conflict-betwe...

Small nuclear reactors are the answer imo. Russia has poured funding into opposing fracking for natural gas and encouraging european green initiatives arguably to increase their grip on euopean energy supplies

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/14972531398371901...

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#48
post #30

Here's better, more numerate coverage: https://twitter.com/energybants/status/1498005296299622408 Also the whole thread covers other nuclear topics the press is a bit lost on. Remember, the number of nuclear engineers at reuters is 0.

"Weather: famously indifferent to German wartime needs."

Ouch.

Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

#49
This will be a big change in policy. I suspect that it is related to current war in Ukraine. Could be that finally Germany has seen the true face of Putin? I speculate but in relation to other big announcements today by the EU (providing fighter jets to Ukraine, promising Ukraine accession to the EU), it only makes sense.

Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span

#50
post #12

I know this article isn't great, but is there anyone on HN who lives in Germany who could explain why there's such a scepticism of Nuclear power there? I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear for one clear reason - there was no political appetite to spend a tonne of money on an expensive form of energy that wasn't likely to pay off in the current parliamentary term. The german response to N…

German here, but I'll be a bit lazy and refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany . I quickly skimmed over it and I think it touches the history well. From my personal perspective, I can definitely relate being nuclear skeptic due to Chernobyl (I was 7 years old at the time) and basically constant demonstrations/problems with the end storage facility subject - for as long as I remember. Also, at…

> Also, at least in my memory around ~2000 it became clear that nuclear was not economically viable vs going green and that was also when the Atomausstieg was sealed by the new Schröder government which had the Greens in the coalition.

And yet, Germany has twice the emissions of France because it relies heavily on gas and coal. Very sad to see that global warming is considered more economically viable than nuclear energy.

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