I don't get it. A nuclear accident halfway across the world and Germany decides to shut down. A war halfway across the continent and it decides to keep on? Both threats (nuclear accident and Putin's madness) have always existed. What changed? Did they suddenly discover Putin is not trustworthy to depend on for half of your energy supply?
Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span
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#42I know this article isn't great, but is there anyone on HN who lives in Germany who could explain why there's such a scepticism of Nuclear power there? I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear for one clear reason - there was no political appetite to spend a tonne of money on an expensive form of energy that wasn't likely to pay off in the current parliamentary term. The german response to N…
While the UK's nuclear power capacity is well down on its 1990s peak, it's hardly correct to say the UK has "largely" transitioned away from nuclear. A major new nuclear plant (Hinkley Point C) is under construction, and two more (Sizewell C and Bradwell B) seem to still be moving ahead.
If all three are completed, they would represent 8.6 GW of new nuclear capacity, significantly more than the combined capacity of all UK nuclear power stations today!
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#43I know this article isn't great, but is there anyone on HN who lives in Germany who could explain why there's such a scepticism of Nuclear power there? I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear for one clear reason - there was no political appetite to spend a tonne of money on an expensive form of energy that wasn't likely to pay off in the current parliamentary term. The german response to N…
German here, but I'll be a bit lazy and refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany . I quickly skimmed over it and I think it touches the history well. From my personal perspective, I can definitely relate being nuclear skeptic due to Chernobyl (I was 7 years old at the time) and basically constant demonstrations/problems with the end storage facility subject - for as long as I remember. Also, at…
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#44The other option is to put too much trust in the hands of dictators. Over the course of hundreds of years, that actually seems to work less well (eg: China - given their potential, they should have never had to play catch up). But every once in a while, there are a few decades where an individual comes along that plays all of their cards right and engages in a long game that vastly outperforms the 4-year back and forth circus of democracies.
But I don't trust myself to reliably recruit a front desk colleague, let alone someone with nuclear codes. So democracies it is.
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#46I know this article isn't great, but is there anyone on HN who lives in Germany who could explain why there's such a scepticism of Nuclear power there? I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear for one clear reason - there was no political appetite to spend a tonne of money on an expensive form of energy that wasn't likely to pay off in the current parliamentary term. The german response to N…
It's associated with waste that no one wants and nuclear weapons that no one wants either. Germany had a SPD/Greens coalition. They decided to not renew the contracts with the nuclear power plants and phase them out (afaik they are allowed to run 25 years, then they need to renew that, sorry missing some vocubaulry here). The next government was CDU/FDP (Merkel 1), who decided to renew the contracts again and cancel…
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-former-chancellor-gerhard-sch...
https://www.politico.eu/article/outrage-germany-ex-chancello...
Re: Germany mulls extending nuclear plants' life-span
#47I don't get it. A nuclear accident halfway across the world and Germany decides to shut down. A war halfway across the continent and it decides to keep on? Both threats (nuclear accident and Putin's madness) have always existed. What changed? Did they suddenly discover Putin is not trustworthy to depend on for half of your energy supply?
What changed is that to move away from nuclear the dependency on Gas has increased. This alleviated the immediate stress levels generated from the nuclear disasters around the world. Then a more immediate threat popped up by Russia invading Ukraine. This makes the gas dependency a liability again. This makes the far away risk of something might go very wrong with nuclear palatable again compared to the gas is risky r…
Small nuclear reactors are the answer imo. Russia has poured funding into opposing fracking for natural gas and encouraging european green initiatives arguably to increase their grip on euopean energy supplies
https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/14972531398371901...
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#48Here's better, more numerate coverage: https://twitter.com/energybants/status/1498005296299622408 Also the whole thread covers other nuclear topics the press is a bit lost on. Remember, the number of nuclear engineers at reuters is 0.
Ouch.
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#50I know this article isn't great, but is there anyone on HN who lives in Germany who could explain why there's such a scepticism of Nuclear power there? I'm from the UK and we have largely transitioned away from Nuclear for one clear reason - there was no political appetite to spend a tonne of money on an expensive form of energy that wasn't likely to pay off in the current parliamentary term. The german response to N…
German here, but I'll be a bit lazy and refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany . I quickly skimmed over it and I think it touches the history well. From my personal perspective, I can definitely relate being nuclear skeptic due to Chernobyl (I was 7 years old at the time) and basically constant demonstrations/problems with the end storage facility subject - for as long as I remember. Also, at…
And yet, Germany has twice the emissions of France because it relies heavily on gas and coal. Very sad to see that global warming is considered more economically viable than nuclear energy.