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Five Levels of Hype
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Re: Five Levels of Hype
#42Kind of similar to this Conspiracy Levels chart that was making the rounds a few months ago[1], including the crucial “departure from reality” tipping point, and the “XYZ as your group identity” level. No doubt promoters of major conspiracies have studied marketing, as they are are adept at generating belief and hype out of nothing. 1: https://m.imgur.com/XY5PAvd
Covid coming from a lab is 'leaving science"? Well I'm glad whoever made that chart has it all figured out.
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#43I don't agree with the categorization of “full self-driving” as "LEVEL 2: EXAGGERATED CLAIMS". There is no proof that self driving cars will ever be able to navigate in e.g. European cities with narrow streets and without lines on them. Full driving would mean driving autonomous everywhere and between a highway with visible signs and lines and streets without any markings is a big difference. its more like "LEVEL 3:…
> There is no proof That’s an odd requirement. There is no proof Intel will ever put out a faster chip. There is in general no proof for any new technology because it hasn’t been built yet. Narrow city streets aren’t vastly different than normal city streets, and people used to constantly say sure operating on highways is easy, show me self driving cars inside cities. I think people underestimate how long self drivin…
I agree with your comment, but I understood the author's level 2 as something which can be realized with existing technology. Meaning there is already a prototype.
There is no prototype for complete full driving, including very difficult situations - so I see that as level 3.
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#44I don't agree with the categorization of “full self-driving” as "LEVEL 2: EXAGGERATED CLAIMS". There is no proof that self driving cars will ever be able to navigate in e.g. European cities with narrow streets and without lines on them. Full driving would mean driving autonomous everywhere and between a highway with visible signs and lines and streets without any markings is a big difference. its more like "LEVEL 3:…
Honestly, small streets where there's really only one thing you can do (go straight forward but don't drive into anything) are not as hard as where cars are already driving today because the speeds are very low and the distances you have to consider are are pretty short. This is not like making unprotected lefts across 6 lanes of traffic in Beijing. The hype around "full self driving" is exaggerated because today it'…
Did you ever drove through e.g. city centers in Europe or Asia?
There are not only missing lines but it's often also used by many people which walk on it. A self driving system doesn't only have to figure out where the steet ends and walkways begins but also has to correctly detect many moving people and animals.
Additionally, there are frequently side streets or walkways which are not mapped in every map database...
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> “the metaverse” I’m probably in some kind of bubble, but is that hyped? I mainly hear about it on HN, maybe a bunch of joking off-hand comments on Reddit. No one else seem to care about it at all. So, my bubble in Germany, or is it actually a thing in the USA?
I gave up on German tech news 5 years ago. They're always behind.
As someone whose German is rusty and is try to not lose it, what kind of German media you think is worth the trouble?, in other words, publications where you will find insights that are not simply a repetition/regurgitation of what it is said in English.
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#46Re: Five Levels of Hype
#47The tech industry has always been bullish on "the future" so I don't think this is different today; what does feel different is it seems hype is now the end product vs. hype about the underlying advancement. This may be inevitable in the highly commercialized, mature space that the internet has become.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is no proof That’s an odd requirement. There is no proof Intel will ever put out a faster chip. There is in general no proof for any new technology because it hasn’t been built yet. Narrow city streets aren’t vastly different than normal city streets, and people used to constantly say sure operating on highways is easy, show me self driving cars inside cities. I think people underestimate how long self drivin…
I agree with your comment, but I understood the author's level 2 as something which can be realized with existing technology. Meaning there is already a prototype. There is no prototype for complete full driving, including very difficult situations - so I see that as level 3.
Level 2 says Tomorrow as in technology that’s in development. I read Level 3 as when people talk about the potential for say intersections without traffic lights and the end to gridlock. That’s not just exaggeration or extrapolation of current research but hopeful projections without anything even vaguely in the pipeline for development. Aka the semantic web and other rather grandiose ideas.
The first generation of cruse control didn’t shift gears making it useless for maintaining speed up and down steep hills but it provided the basic functionality on a reasonable subset of roads. It was still called cruse control. So, my point was a Tesla’s ability to drive from a limited set of parking spaces to another set of parking spaces by crossing public streets, covers the basic description of self driving. It’s a poor implementation but fulfills the basic premise of you not having to turn the steering wheel and ending up your destination even if it has a host of limitations. Doing that but in Paris is really more of the same.
(Edited the above several times.)
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#49The worst offenders in recent memory are self driving cars, block chain, VR, and “the metaverse”.
> “the metaverse” I’m probably in some kind of bubble, but is that hyped? I mainly hear about it on HN, maybe a bunch of joking off-hand comments on Reddit. No one else seem to care about it at all. So, my bubble in Germany, or is it actually a thing in the USA?
Metaverse is something that is happening for a long time now. The Zuckerberg-Metaverse is just the latest step in this development that gave the fire new fuel. Maybe because of this slow burning hype the general impression of it is rather low.
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#50The worst offenders in recent memory are self driving cars, block chain, VR, and “the metaverse”.
What about 3D printing ? It’s tame now but I remember how it was supposed to change a lot of things in our every day life.