How to Use Siri I'm Getting Pulled over to Record Police

Here, LMGTFY:

https://www.theverge.com/21355122/police-brutality-violence-...

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/video-miami-cops-arrest-b...

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article248020...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/05/cop-slapped...

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do...

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do...

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170829/09553338104/no-im...

The TV show 'COPS' would demonstrate very vividly how insane some people can be and of course they are 'selected clips' - but when they film in Canada ... almost nothing happens.

In LA, there used to be (still are?) news items on the 'Helicoptor following the chase' which, as a Canadian, was dumbfounding to me.

Youtube vides of 2 police arresting a man, 4 hands on him, they're putting on the cuffs and them bam he goes for his gun (!!!) - literally right has 2 officers have him under control, the assailant tries to kill the cops.

Traffic cops have people 'take off' on them far too often.

So combine this with the very real availability of guns, and you have quite dangerous situations.

Again, I would repeat that the cops are still overzealous, but unless you're antagonizing you have little to worry about other than maybe a cop in a bad mood.

It's not populist for people to have to deal with the fact that Americans themselves are statistically poorly behaved when confronting cops.

Americans often see a funny bit of behaviour on the news and think 'Oh, that's so Florida' - but for people outside the US the entire country looks like 'Florida'.

You complete ignore what I wrote and post random links that make no sense in the context.

My stance is you should film.

My stance is you should not interfere in any way with police as a bystander unless you ask first and get permission to help.

My stance is that if you get ordered to do something you have to follow that order. If you dont, you are in fact interfering and you are subject to lawful arrest.

The fact that police can give you illegitimate order doesn't change that.

For example they may not have the authority to demand you to stop filming but they can order you to leave the scene or hold appropriate distance. And various other stuff like to pull your hands out of your pocket. Its relevant to the safely of themself and everyone around. If you dont comply they have the right to arrest you. And as soon as they tell you that you are under arrest you lose your right to record or at lest you right to hold and point the cam the way you want. And yes there rules all apply even if you think the police is doing something illegitimate or brutal or whatever. You are not a judge and your subjective interpretation of the situation does in no way change what what you are and aren't allowed do do. Its really not that hard of a concept.

Since you like links here is one for you https://youtu.be/qiZi-BpzFuc?t=72 As you can see people seriously think they need to film stuff because a dozen officers clearly are trying to kill someone and the only thing that could save the person are the bystander with phones. But police keeps them at a distance so they can kill the person anyway without video evidence. After 90 minutes they gave up because too many bystanders could potentially film the killing. Brave brave bystanders saving people form state funded killer pigs. People are so out of touch with reality they act like little kids who insist that all adults are complicit to be mean to them for no reason.

I definitely did not say the root of the problem is that police has a monopoly on force. I said that it is the reason why people should comply regardless of potential rights being violated. Because you have to defend your rights with legal means not with force. Its exactly the same as if your neighbor violates your rights.

The use of force as a means to enforce your rights is illegal. There are some extreme cases where you can use force namely self-defense and defending others who are in imminent danger. This is not an act of enforcing you rights this an act of defense. The right to use force voids as soon as the "danger" is gone not when your "right is restored". Self defense is almost always not applicable if the "danger" comes from a police officer. Being arrested even if not lawful does not make it a kidnapping and you resisting isn't self-defense.

I have no clue how you think police should do its job if they do not have a monopoly on force. It quite obviously who would have the monopoly then, the criminals.

Also how about teaching people that although bad cops exist most cops wont kill you if you comply (this is the statistical reality). And that no matter what you did or being accused of doing your best option is to comply (even for mass murders, rapists and terrorists, statistics show that this behavior significantly prolongs their life).

The other political measurement you suggested are up for debate and whether or not they work needs to be evaluated while the simply act of complying can be done by anyone right now. And there is zero negative side effect.

> Breonna Taylor was an EMT that was murdered by police while asleep in her own bed during a no-knock raid.

That's absolutely not what happened. At worst this was horrible police work at "best" it was a freak accident. There is zero reason to believe that anyone was murdered.

Not going into the other cases because quite frankly it does not falsify my claim even if they are in fact what you say they are.

My calm was that its very very very unlikely which is true even if it happens. Just like the mass shooting you original brought up that is also very very very unlikely to kill you even trough it could happen.

That does not make "police interaction somehow a threat to people" (the original statement) Just like the lottery does not make you a millionaire. And boarding a plane doesn't make you die in a fireball. You gotta look at probability in a rational way. The risk of being killed by police is very very low and as said above by not being a criminal/drug abuser and by complying it gets even lower. So low that its practically non-existent. You do dozens of things every day that have a way higher probability of killing you. Like taking a shower. The statement that taking a shower somehow poses a threat to people is still absurd and wrong.