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Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by ygra »

throw0101a wrote: post #31
russellallen wrote: post #2

> Unicode 13.0 adds 5,930 characters, for a total of 143,859 characters. These additions include 4 new scripts, for a total of 154 scripts, as well as 55 new emoji characters. So how far off is Unicode from being 'done'? At what point will they be able to stop adding characters and scripts?

Until there's a kumquat emoji then it will not be done: * https://www.emojis.com/food/fruit/ There will always be another Emoji that someone, somewhere wants to add.

Well, it was a can of worms once they took the existing characters which for the most part were culturally very tied to Japan. Now everyone had access to those fun little icons and in turn a lot of people felt concepts from their cultural surrounding underrepresented.

And while every Unicode announcement gets derided because they added more emoji, it's still just a small subset of the standard. Back when they added them I wasn't much of a fan, but by now I think it was the right decision. I still don't use them, but I've heard they're quite popular in younger age groups.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by tasogare »

Sukram21 wrote: post #37
tasogare wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small precision for those who don't know the context: the Eszett (which comes from the ligature of 'ss') existed for centuries already in German writing. 2017 is just the date of its official integration in the alphabet, so it's not a 'new' letter created from scratch. I say that because I remember learning it at school a few decades ago (even if at the time we were warned the subject was touchy), and I was surprised…

The Eszett (ß) has been already standardized for several decades (since 1986: with ISO 8859-1 aka latin-1). The newly added letter is the "capital letter Eszett", which did not exist until recently. One could argue that this new letter is not really needed, as Eszett does not appear in capitalized form except when a word is in all-caps, and was then simply written as "SS".

Thanks for info, I didn't know that.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by jeltz »

Sukram21 wrote: post #37
tasogare wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small precision for those who don't know the context: the Eszett (which comes from the ligature of 'ss') existed for centuries already in German writing. 2017 is just the date of its official integration in the alphabet, so it's not a 'new' letter created from scratch. I say that because I remember learning it at school a few decades ago (even if at the time we were warned the subject was touchy), and I was surprised…

The Eszett (ß) has been already standardized for several decades (since 1986: with ISO 8859-1 aka latin-1). The newly added letter is the "capital letter Eszett", which did not exist until recently. One could argue that this new letter is not really needed, as Eszett does not appear in capitalized form except when a word is in all-caps, and was then simply written as "SS".

The capital version has existed in uncommon use since the early 1900s.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by phaker »

rbanffy wrote: post #19
bhaak wrote: post #12

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The niche audience of terminal based games will also be thankful forever to you and the rest of the people that got those characters into Unicode.

Go get them. https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1FB00.pdf

Down for me as is everything else.

Found a unicode consortium tweet (!) with a picture of the whole block:

https://twitter.com/unicode/status/1085613123183071232?lang=...

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by giancarlostoro »

jfk13 wrote: post #35
giancarlostoro wrote: post #17

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I will regret this but... Animated ligature emojis or some sorta crontraption... Animated characters is the next stage. If emojis are different between carriers meh. Course I find it silly that they swapped a real gun emoji for a water gun. How will my friends know I intend to go hunting and not play water guns with my nephews or whatever.

Uhh...perhaps try using actual words if you want to make your meaning clear? After all, if you used a "real gun" emoji, your friends might just think you were planning a massacre...

I usually do, I was kind of poking fun at how people use only emojis to talk, although with the sort of limits that Twitter and SMS has, you sometimes have to cut messages short. I meant using a single emoji in addition to other words.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by jcranmer »

russellallen wrote: post #2

> Unicode 13.0 adds 5,930 characters, for a total of 143,859 characters. These additions include 4 new scripts, for a total of 154 scripts, as well as 55 new emoji characters. So how far off is Unicode from being 'done'? At what point will they be able to stop adding characters and scripts?

I believe all scripts that are in extant use today are complete; if not, the missing extant scripts are down to the scripts with very few literate people (thousands or fewer).

Many of the additions today, barring emoji, are covering historical usage. This includes things like Medieval scribal annotations, a different set of numbers for the Ottomans, and the Mayan script. It will still be over a decade for the historical work to be complete, since there is often a lot of actual research that needs to be done to understand how an ancient writing system works, which has to come before you can even put together a coherent proposal for a new script.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by CannisterFlux »

Tepix wrote: post #46
rcaught wrote: post #16

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What's new: https://blog.emojipedia.org/whats-new-in-unicode-13-0/

I hope it's not just new emojis... ️

Well you jest maybe, but the vast majority of new characters are not emojis. The Creative Commons symbol, for example. And 200 glyphs from the vintage Apple II, Amstrad CPC and Commodore Amiga computers. There are "only" 55 new emojis. FWIW I love new emojis and can't wait for WhatsApp/Android to add the new ones :-)

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by dwheeler »

Possibly the most important addition is this:

> Symbols added in this release (which aren't implemented as emojis) include a Creative Commons symbol, as well as other related glyphs for non-commercial licences, or to indicate where attribution is required.

So you can now indicate license requirements, such as attribution, share-alike, or non-commercial use only. Those can apply to a vast number of works, so does nice to have easily-accessed standard symbols for it.

It also adds symbols for some older machines, which will make discussing them easier.

And yes, it has new emojis. But it is worth noting that the total number of emojis is a very small portion of the Unicode characters.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by rbanffy »

goto11 wrote: post #11
smilespray wrote: post #9

You just gotta feel for the Unicode staff, setting out to improve communication across all of humanity. Turns out what we're REALLY interested in are funny emojis.

I suspect emojis as characters will soon be replaced with graphics. Consumers are annoyed or confused when emojis look slightly different on different platforms.

Unified rendering is not really a goal of Unicode. That's better left to the individual platform providers, who have to balance this against keeping their own user experience consistent over time and across devices.
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