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Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by taejo »

russellallen wrote: post #2

> Unicode 13.0 adds 5,930 characters, for a total of 143,859 characters. These additions include 4 new scripts, for a total of 154 scripts, as well as 55 new emoji characters. So how far off is Unicode from being 'done'? At what point will they be able to stop adding characters and scripts?

German, a European language that has been more or less standardized for several centuries, with a Latin-based alphabet, added a new letter (ẞ) to its alphabet in 2017. As long as that continues to happen, Unicode will have to add new characters, even if no more ancient scripts are discovered and no new writing systems are developed for currently unwritten languages.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by jwilk »

7777fps wrote: post #10
hdjrorkdk wrote: post #3

The next one needs a coronavirus emoji. Maybe a flu one too while we're at it.

or not useful enough? Edit: Apparently HN doesn't support unicode? I was trying to say: U+1F637 or U+1F912 not good enough?

It supports Unicode, but it purposefully strips emoji.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by tasogare »

Page down. So I read that instead: https://blog.emojipedia.org/whats-new-in-unicode-13-0/

I'm personally hyped by the new characters for Creative Common, that could come in handy in data processing (at least in my field).

It's cool the Bopomofo was extended to support Cantonese (didn't know this existed tbh), because it means multilingual Madanrin-Hokkien-Cantonese can use a uniform spelling for word and character readings.

And finally Khitan small script, while ghetto, was an interesting offspring of the Chinese script that targeted a Mongolian language.

PS: I won't comment on the ridiculous emoji shitshow.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by hairofadog »

vanderZwan wrote: post #20
est31 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you ship the font in your app to get consistent emoji renderings across platforms (no need to dump unicode for this) you might have appeased the people who want emojis to look the same on all platforms, but then you will enrage the people who want emojis on all of their apps to look the same.

I suspect the latter is a significantly smaller group though - I would expect people care more about their messages coming across unchanged

Interesting. I’d think the opposite: I bet the number of times the average user looks at their own message on someone else’s device is pretty low, while they might have a chance to notice the differences in emoji between app A and app B on their own device several times per day.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by pilif »

tambre wrote: post #4
russellallen wrote: post #2

> Unicode 13.0 adds 5,930 characters, for a total of 143,859 characters. These additions include 4 new scripts, for a total of 154 scripts, as well as 55 new emoji characters. So how far off is Unicode from being 'done'? At what point will they be able to stop adding characters and scripts?

Once people stop needing and/or inventing new characters and scripts.

either that or when there are 2^24 used codepoints.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by tasogare »

taejo wrote: post #21
russellallen wrote: post #2

> Unicode 13.0 adds 5,930 characters, for a total of 143,859 characters. These additions include 4 new scripts, for a total of 154 scripts, as well as 55 new emoji characters. So how far off is Unicode from being 'done'? At what point will they be able to stop adding characters and scripts?

German, a European language that has been more or less standardized for several centuries, with a Latin-based alphabet, added a new letter (ẞ) to its alphabet in 2017. As long as that continues to happen, Unicode will have to add new characters, even if no more ancient scripts are discovered and no new writing systems are developed for currently unwritten languages.

Small precision for those who don't know the context: the Eszett (which comes from the ligature of 'ss') existed for centuries already in German writing. 2017 is just the date of its official integration in the alphabet, so it's not a 'new' letter created from scratch. I say that because I remember learning it at school a few decades ago (even if at the time we were warned the subject was touchy), and I was surprised it wasn't standardized that earlier.

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by chrisseaton »

russellallen wrote: post #2

> Unicode 13.0 adds 5,930 characters, for a total of 143,859 characters. These additions include 4 new scripts, for a total of 154 scripts, as well as 55 new emoji characters. So how far off is Unicode from being 'done'? At what point will they be able to stop adding characters and scripts?

> So how far off is Unicode from being 'done'?

Do you think human written language is ‘done’ and will never evolve?

Re: Unicode 13.0

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Post by oprypin »

tasogare wrote: post #27
taejo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

German, a European language that has been more or less standardized for several centuries, with a Latin-based alphabet, added a new letter (ẞ) to its alphabet in 2017. As long as that continues to happen, Unicode will have to add new characters, even if no more ancient scripts are discovered and no new writing systems are developed for currently unwritten languages.

Small precision for those who don't know the context: the Eszett (which comes from the ligature of 'ss') existed for centuries already in German writing. 2017 is just the date of its official integration in the alphabet, so it's not a 'new' letter created from scratch. I say that because I remember learning it at school a few decades ago (even if at the time we were warned the subject was touchy), and I was surprised…

This is about capital ẞ. Small ß must've been in Unicode from the start.
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