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Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by CapacitorSet »

ekc wrote: post #3

> Ms Fan and Ms Leung say such harassment has also continued off campus. They have found pictures of themselves being shared on Chinese social media sites next to threatening messages. Ms Fan said one comment warned she would "face consequences". If anyone's there, or knows someone who's there who happens to be protesting this, you should probably recommend they wear Winnie the Pooh merchandise, or wear t-shirts ment…

I fail to see how this would be of any help, especially the former. To me it looks like a feel-good action with virtually no political impact.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lxe wrote: post #35

Is HN exactly like Boomer Facebook now? What's with this "kick them out of the country" rhetoric? If people are assaulting peaceful protesters, arrest them, charge them, try them, and punish them according to the law. It's literally right there on camera. But no, please continue inciting outrage and controversy. China bad. Hong Kong good.

> punish them according to the law

It’s lawful and valid to revoke visas of those convicted of violent crimes. Assaulting protesters is a violent crime.

Nobody reasonable is advocating for deporting all Chinese students. Just those who assault protesters.

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Post by ceejayoz »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #31
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one reason I decided to go back to America once we had a kid. I’m not a big fan of nationalism. Unfortunately, I’m a bit worried about American schools, many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state, which was definitely not true when I was a kid. It just feels like something China would do but the USA shouldn’t.

> many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state Haven’t court decisions rendered pupils’ participation in the pledge of allegiance optional in all 50 states?

That they're technically optional doesn't prevent peers for bullying over it.

Source: I was an Australian citizen while in US schools from 2nd through 12th grade. It can be highly uncomfortable to stand silently (and politely) during the Pledge.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

CapacitorSet wrote: post #41
ekc wrote: post #3

> Ms Fan and Ms Leung say such harassment has also continued off campus. They have found pictures of themselves being shared on Chinese social media sites next to threatening messages. Ms Fan said one comment warned she would "face consequences". If anyone's there, or knows someone who's there who happens to be protesting this, you should probably recommend they wear Winnie the Pooh merchandise, or wear t-shirts ment…

I fail to see how this would be of any help, especially the former. To me it looks like a feel-good action with virtually no political impact.

> I fail to see how this would be of any help

It would make sharing images of the protest on the mainland difficult.

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Post by sillyquiet »

lxe wrote: post #35

Is HN exactly like Boomer Facebook now? What's with this "kick them out of the country" rhetoric? If people are assaulting peaceful protesters, arrest them, charge them, try them, and punish them according to the law. It's literally right there on camera. But no, please continue inciting outrage and controversy. China bad. Hong Kong good.

In most rational countries, folks who are visiting on various forms of visas ARE deported when they commit crimes. Making this out to be some kind of lynch mob thing is kind of disingenuous

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Post by guardiangod »

psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

The civilians are not supporting the China Communist Party- they are supporting the unification of China, by whatever mean possible.

Call it the Chinese Manifesto, if you will. South China Sea expansion, Taiwan, HK, Belt and Road Initiatives. Chinese believes that all these are from their ancestors, and one day China will reclaim all the territories that were stolen from China by foreign powers.

I know this sounds racist but it's true. Just go on Youtube and watch all those Simplified Chinese-only propaganda videos.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by lxe »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #42
lxe wrote: post #35

Is HN exactly like Boomer Facebook now? What's with this "kick them out of the country" rhetoric? If people are assaulting peaceful protesters, arrest them, charge them, try them, and punish them according to the law. It's literally right there on camera. But no, please continue inciting outrage and controversy. China bad. Hong Kong good.

> punish them according to the law It’s lawful and valid to revoke visas of those convicted of violent crimes. Assaulting protesters is a violent crime. Nobody reasonable is advocating for deporting all Chinese students. Just those who assault protesters.

Well, if an internet commenter says so, I guess we can skip the whole due process thing.

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Post by monksy »

ceejayoz wrote: post #36
monksy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal opinions (trump rallies) are a far cry from what's going on with the propaganda campaigns.

If you don't consider a Trump rally and calls of "fake news" to be part of a propaganda campaign intended to generate these sorts of opinions, I don't know what to tell you. (To be clear, the same is true for Democratic rallies, too - they're propaganda.)

> Democratic rallies, too - they're propaganda.)

We're in agreement here. The political pop culture is weird and celeb worshiping in the US.

Compared to the propaganda coming out of China and is being pushed in other nations, it's like comparing a mountain to a molehill.

Yes there is a sub-group that believes and endorses in the pro-trump beliefs. Are they valid/good/true? Who cares. Part of our basic rights means that we can hold these beliefs and opinions and express them. If you are to believe in the basic right you have to be willing to accept that people will hold beliefs and will speak on things you don't like.

We have universal laws in the US, if they cross them, enforce the law. (I.e. trying to hit other people with a car at a protest etc)

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Post by unmole »

yeukhon wrote: post #20

“Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.” This is off-topic.

I don't know about you but this sounds like interesting new phenomenon to me.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #32
psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?

> Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra?

One, we don’t censor that information.

Two, I’d expect most Americans to freely criticise those government actions, as well as the people and agencies responsible. The latter is prohibited in China.

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