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Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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The percentage of drivers who think it's safe to nap is small but nonetheless frightening. What are these people thinking?

This is the percentage of all drivers who think its safe to sleep with Tesla autopilot not just Tesla drivers. People who actually own a Tesla will have seen the warning messages and will be familiar with the limitations of autopilot. The title of the study is very misleading.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#42

I know that the name is a good one, but 'Autopilot' is a troublesome name. I think a better way forward would be to do something fun with the 'Autopilot' name, e.g.: "Zanzibar (formerly known as Autopilot)" Nobody need know what "Zanzibar" actually is other than some place a long way from California. You could easily talk about your Tesla to a non-owner saying 'yeah, it's got Zanzibar...' or to a fellow owner 'did yo…

GM has the right name with Super Cruise. It works just as well and in some cases better than Tesla Autopilot, but the perception of the public is that it's worse because it doesn't have the inflated name of 'Autopilot'.

* now that I look at it again, it is actually more 'auto' than autopilot since they do not require your hands to be on the wheel but they do track your eyes for attention to the road.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#43
post #26

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If you don’t know, you’ll learn pretty quickly when you buy one. If you don’t keep your hands on the wheel, it will flash at you, then beep at you, then stop the car. In reality, once you are used to it, it’s actually quite easy to keep a hand on the wheel while using Autopilot.

It's not about how easy it is to put your hand on wheel so that it can detect a bit of force (you can use bottle of water to do that). The difficult part is to stay focused when doing that. If you spent 30 minutes driving to work on a highway, and your car was able to drive itself every day for 2 months, how likely are you to take any reasonable action on 3rd month when something unexpecting happens?

I think this undersells how easy it is to disengage attention when you are actively driving. The task of driving (especially your commute route) is very mundane.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t know, you’ll learn pretty quickly when you buy one. If you don’t keep your hands on the wheel, it will flash at you, then beep at you, then stop the car. In reality, once you are used to it, it’s actually quite easy to keep a hand on the wheel while using Autopilot.

It's not about how easy it is to put your hand on wheel so that it can detect a bit of force (you can use bottle of water to do that). The difficult part is to stay focused when doing that. If you spent 30 minutes driving to work on a highway, and your car was able to drive itself every day for 2 months, how likely are you to take any reasonable action on 3rd month when something unexpecting happens?

So the problem is the human attention span? Cars without any always-on computer aids such as automatic braking must be really dangerous then.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#45

I know that the name is a good one, but 'Autopilot' is a troublesome name. I think a better way forward would be to do something fun with the 'Autopilot' name, e.g.: "Zanzibar (formerly known as Autopilot)" Nobody need know what "Zanzibar" actually is other than some place a long way from California. You could easily talk about your Tesla to a non-owner saying 'yeah, it's got Zanzibar...' or to a fellow owner 'did yo…

I mean that's a perfect choice as long as your marketing strategy isn't to hope that people pay extra for the feature thinking that it's FSD. The fact that Tesla still hasn't done something like this is proof that they're kind of relying on people to think that autopilot is something that automatically pilots the vehicle, which it doesn't.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#46
post #31

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> In reality, once you are used to it, it’s actually quite easy to keep a hand on the wheel while using Autopilot. ...while you do something other than pay attention. Like take a nap or watch a movie (just search YouTube for Tesla nap).

I drive on AutoPilot every day. The shit I see other drivers doing on the highway blows my mind. Yesterday a guy was trimming his toes. Bare foot up on the dash and just going at it. Can’t. Unsee. Approximately half of drivers are holding a cellphone on their ear, or yawning with a look of utter exhaustion on their face, occasionally rocking out to some great tunes, which is fun when they catch you watching. None of…

100% agree. Almost as bad for me was a recent conversation with a Tesla owner who said he drives his Model 3 to bars instead of taking Uber since it can take him home when he's drunk. The level to which people are abusing the system is phenomenal.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#47
post #27

So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

As a regular AutoPilot user, it does require active supervision. You need to be looking out the window as it drives you down the highway. It detects minute levels of torque on the wheel, so resting a hand in the wheel is enough to keep it happy. If it doesn’t detect any torque on the wheel it prompts you, and you can touch the wheel or move one of the scrollwheels to let it know you’re paying attention. > In general,…

> I watch the cars around me, I look ahead down the road and check mirrors more frequently.

I havent tried tesla autopilot yet so I don’t know how much easier it makes driving, but if steering[1] keeps you from doing these things ... should you be on the road at all? If you’re too tired to both steer and maintain situational awareness you should probably take a rest :/

[1] steering, more like keeping the wheel steady on the freeway. Afaik Tesla can’t autopilot on the twisties yet anyway

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#48
post #35

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There are plenty of video interviews where Musk himself shows using auto pilot with his hands off the wheel.

Every single automaker demos their lane-keeping technology with hands off the wheel.

Show me.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#49
post #18

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But that's their full-self driving software that hasn't been released yet.

That's a strange claim without any evidence to back it up. It's the first video on their "Autopilot" page. There's absolutely no mention of features that don't exist yet in the video. You have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page for any mention of full self-driving. I'd believe your claim if the video was under the headline of "Full Self-driving", but it isn't.

I guess the title doesn't show up.

When you pull up the video in vimeo, the title is

"Autopilot Full Self-Driving Hardware (Neighborhood Short)"

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