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Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#11

The fact that Tesla says not to take your hands off the wheel, built security for this, and have made it clear it's not at that level while people still do so is not their fault.

There are plenty of video interviews where Musk himself shows using auto pilot with his hands off the wheel.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#12
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, they did name it 'autopilot'

Do you think pilots sleep while the passenger jet you're riding in is on 'autopilot'?

My impression is that most non-pilots think that autopilot is a lot more sophisticated than it really is.

People hear things like "planes can basically land themselves" which is sort-of-true, and they think the planes can actually land themselves when the reality is that the pilots need to set up ILS properly, make sure the engine thrust is at a reasonable level, do the proper communication with Air Traffic Control, and only then (maybe) can the plane land itself.

Note: I'm not actually a pilot, so my details on landing with ILS might be a bit off.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#13
So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology.

The Tesla page on it (https://www.tesla.com/autopilot) takes a while to get to describing what it does, but then says, among other things:

> Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane.

And:

> With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing power, your Tesla will navigate tighter, more complex roads.

So it's steering... but you're supposed to leave your hands on the wheel anyway? But not actually steering, just resting there just in case? I'm not sure how realistic this is in terms of human behavior. To their credit, the page, at least as of this moment, also says:

> Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.

Reading just the web page, if you asked me "So, do you need to leave your hands on the wheel when autopilot is engaged on the freeway", I'd be unsure. Does "active driver supervision" mean "hands on the wheel"?

In general, it is very hard for humans to keep paying close attention to something they aren't involved in actually actively controlling, "just in case." I'm not sure if there's a way for this technology to be safe, if that's what it depends on to be safe. (not unique to Tesla).

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#14

The fact that Tesla says not to take your hands off the wheel, built security for this, and have made it clear it's not at that level while people still do so is not their fault.

There are plenty of video interviews where Musk himself shows using auto pilot with his hands off the wheel.

It's even on their official sites demo video! As shared in another comment https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#15

The fact that Tesla says not to take your hands off the wheel, built security for this, and have made it clear it's not at that level while people still do so is not their fault.

Weird, when I go to Tesla's Autopilot page[1], I'm presented with a video demo where the driver has his hands off of the wheel. The video has the following caption:

> The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#16

The percentage of drivers who think it's safe to nap is small but nonetheless frightening. What are these people thinking?

They are thinking the same thing as people who drive drunk. People can be idiots.

You have to actively disable safety measures in order to get the car to drive for any kind of extended period without applying force to the wheel.

Anyone caught doing this intentionally should be cited for impaired driving same as a DUI.

Then there are the people who legitimately fall asleep at the wheel and AutoPilot saves their lives, which is a different matter.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#17

The fact that Tesla says not to take your hands off the wheel, built security for this, and have made it clear it's not at that level while people still do so is not their fault.

Weird, when I go to Tesla's Autopilot page[1], I'm presented with a video demo where the driver has his hands off of the wheel. The video has the following caption: > The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. [1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

Thats to show FSD, a different feature. If you were to ask they have been very clear of what it does now and what it should do in the future.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#18
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see the use of “autopilot” name bring brought up a lot. Thinking about what an autopilot in an airplane does, labeling Tesla’s system autopilot is actually pretty apt. It’s unfortunate that there’s a disconnect between what autopilot means colloquially vs what it actually does on a plane.

From Tesla's Autopilot page, during the first 5 seconds of their video demo[1]: > The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. [1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

But that's their full-self driving software that hasn't been released yet.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#19

So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

If you don’t know, you’ll learn pretty quickly when you buy one. If you don’t keep your hands on the wheel, it will flash at you, then beep at you, then stop the car.

In reality, once you are used to it, it’s actually quite easy to keep a hand on the wheel while using Autopilot.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#20
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, they did name it 'autopilot'

Do you think pilots sleep while the passenger jet you're riding in is on 'autopilot'?

I don't think the general public makes fine distinctions like that.

(for instance, I couldn't help but think the "sex" bill clinton was grilled about could not have led to pregnancy)

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