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Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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well, they did name it 'autopilot'

Do you think pilots sleep while the passenger jet you're riding in is on 'autopilot'?

This is just as snarky as your comment: Do you think car drivers are getting the same years of training on a single vehicle before they can even co-pilot it?

How autopilot actually works in airplanes is unimportant, the public perception and Tesla's intentionally ambiguous play with the word is what counts.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Weird, when I go to Tesla's Autopilot page[1], I'm presented with a video demo where the driver has his hands off of the wheel. The video has the following caption: > The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. [1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

Thats to show FSD, a different feature. If you were to ask they have been very clear of what it does now and what it should do in the future.

That's a stretch. The video is directly under the headline of "Autopilot". Absolutely nothing on the page suggests that the video is demonstrating features that don't exist yet.

Both the Center For Auto Safety and Consumer Watchdog[1] have filed claims of deceptive advertising with the FTC because of this Autopilot video. It's really reaching to claim that the video is demonstrating anything other than Autopilot.

[1] https://www.consumerwatchdog.org/news-story/consumer-groups-...

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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"Cruise Control" doesn't mean I can ignore the ~3200lbs of sports car I drive, just like "Tesla Autopilot" doesn't mean drivers can ignore the ~5000lbs of battery under them.

As an American who spends considerable time driving cars in various performance events (even some fun wheel to wheel endurance stuff) I think I can safely estimate at least ~25% of drivers on the road today, probably shouldn't be. Tesla is making progress, and regardless of whether they survive these various courts of public opinion, they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems.

There will be problems. Computers will fail, mistakes will be made, and people will die, but I'm confident the break even point on those human costs is already pretty far behind us.*

*That said, we already have onerous and terrible auto regulations in this country. If we (as a society) want to force companies to be more cautious in this area, well, its entirely within our regulatory structures power to do so.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

If you don’t know, you’ll learn pretty quickly when you buy one. If you don’t keep your hands on the wheel, it will flash at you, then beep at you, then stop the car. In reality, once you are used to it, it’s actually quite easy to keep a hand on the wheel while using Autopilot.

> In reality, once you are used to it, it’s actually quite easy to keep a hand on the wheel while using Autopilot.

...while you do something other than pay attention. Like take a nap or watch a movie (just search YouTube for Tesla nap).

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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From Tesla's Autopilot page, during the first 5 seconds of their video demo[1]: > The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. [1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

But that's their full-self driving software that hasn't been released yet.

That's a strange claim without any evidence to back it up.

It's the first video on their "Autopilot" page. There's absolutely no mention of features that don't exist yet in the video.

You have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page for any mention of full self-driving. I'd believe your claim if the video was under the headline of "Full Self-driving", but it isn't.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

If you don’t know, you’ll learn pretty quickly when you buy one. If you don’t keep your hands on the wheel, it will flash at you, then beep at you, then stop the car. In reality, once you are used to it, it’s actually quite easy to keep a hand on the wheel while using Autopilot.

It's not about how easy it is to put your hand on wheel so that it can detect a bit of force (you can use bottle of water to do that).

The difficult part is to stay focused when doing that. If you spent 30 minutes driving to work on a highway, and your car was able to drive itself every day for 2 months, how likely are you to take any reasonable action on 3rd month when something unexpecting happens?

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

As a regular AutoPilot user, it does require active supervision. You need to be looking out the window as it drives you down the highway.

It detects minute levels of torque on the wheel, so resting a hand in the wheel is enough to keep it happy. If it doesn’t detect any torque on the wheel it prompts you, and you can touch the wheel or move one of the scrollwheels to let it know you’re paying attention.

> In general, it is very hard for humans to keep paying close attention to something they aren't involved in actually actively controlling

I hear this a lot without citations, and I would guess it’s not specifically studied in terms of Tesla AutoPilot.

But what I can say is that AutoPilot takes the strain away from driving and allows me to focus on higher level planning and situational awareness. I watch the cars around me, I look ahead down the road and check mirrors more frequently. AutoPilot makes driving significantly more pleasant while allowing me to be more aware of potential risks around me.

I have no doubt some people choose to disengage. But it is by no means difficult to stay engaged in monitoring the drive, or at all boring.

On the contrary, while I’ve many times “zoned out” while driving as simply maintaining position in lane is extremely tedious, I’ve never zoned out while on AutoPilot, because watching the absurd things that the drivers around you are doing never gets old.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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well, they did name it 'autopilot'

I see the use of “autopilot” name bring brought up a lot. Thinking about what an autopilot in an airplane does, labeling Tesla’s system autopilot is actually pretty apt. It’s unfortunate that there’s a disconnect between what autopilot means colloquially vs what it actually does on a plane.

> what an autopilot in an airplane does

...Flies the plane safely with zero input from the pilot (hands off the yoke) indefinitely? Lands the plane on its own [1]? I'm well aware that autopilot systems need input directions for desired altitude and air speed, but the semantic distinction people try to draw between "real" autopilot and Tesla's autopilot capabilities have never made sense to me.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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well, they did name it 'autopilot'

Do you think pilots sleep while the passenger jet you're riding in is on 'autopilot'?

Yes, absolutely [1].

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24296544

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

Correct. And yes, it is really dangerous and has led to countless unnecessary crashes and several deaths.

Humans are not capable of suddenly be required to take control of a vehicle with a split second notice.

Hopefully the laws mature enough to prevent these for being road legal.

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