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Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…

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Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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post #18

A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…

I understand some of the searches took place outside of Bavaria, though (Berlin, etc.)? How does the German legal system work in this case, does police in other German states automatically cooperate with requests from Bavaria even when there's potentially a discrepancy between the laws used to provide the legal justification for the actions in question? I've seen a general sentiment in HN and other tech circles over…

The basics of house searches are regulated in federal law. Criminal law itself is federal only (i.e. everything that is a crime in Bavaria is also one in Berlin). In a criminal investigation any German judge can order a search wherever they seem fit. The police responsible for that place is then required to execute the search. The details of the search are regulated in state law which the police then follows.

I can't think of a relevant legal discrepancy that may exist between the laws for ordering searches (there are very tight rules set by the Federal Constitutional Court) but I presume the judge has to take into account the laws where the search takes place. On the other hand my knowledge on criminal investigation law is very rusty.

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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post #26
post #18

A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…

And Munich is traditionally governed by the center-left SPD. I find your attempt to inject party politics in this a diversion. Just because the state government is well to the right and turning populist, it doesn't mean that the independent judiciary is just the same.

Aha then it must be more of a german way of checking out what these left leaning privacy organizations up to

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

#44
post #37

For someone completely out of the loop, since this jumped to #1 on HN: What's Zweibelfreunde? What's OpenLab? Why did the police raid them? Why should I care? And more importantly, why does HN care so much, apparently? :)

Read the article goddamnit this isn’t reddit..

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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post #37

For someone completely out of the loop, since this jumped to #1 on HN: What's Zweibelfreunde? What's OpenLab? Why did the police raid them? Why should I care? And more importantly, why does HN care so much, apparently? :)

Here is an english statement from CCC that explains a lot: https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2018/hausdurchsuchungen-bei-ve...

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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post #37

For someone completely out of the loop, since this jumped to #1 on HN: What's Zweibelfreunde? What's OpenLab? Why did the police raid them? Why should I care? And more importantly, why does HN care so much, apparently? :)

Read the article goddamnit this isn’t reddit..

Did you read the article?

What do you think? I reddit.

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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post #18

A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…

I understand some of the searches took place outside of Bavaria, though (Berlin, etc.)? How does the German legal system work in this case, does police in other German states automatically cooperate with requests from Bavaria even when there's potentially a discrepancy between the laws used to provide the legal justification for the actions in question? I've seen a general sentiment in HN and other tech circles over…

I think they do, but I'm not 100% certain.

I don't know how far you want to define "police state", but in general, SWATting won't be terribly successful here, the only police units with near-military equipment are special units like the GSG9, and while there's certainly racism, and also at least one probable murder (Oury Jalloh), our police doesn't regurlarly murder minorities.

If you limit it to surveillance etc., you will find better countries.

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That looks incrediblely dangerous. They should be locked up for life for possessing such terrible means of mass destruction.

At least they found "some", imagine the scandal if they finally couldn't show any evidence of weapons of mass destruction.....

WE can only hope they don't start a war to find those WMD's...

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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post #37

For someone completely out of the loop, since this jumped to #1 on HN: What's Zweibelfreunde? What's OpenLab? Why did the police raid them? Why should I care? And more importantly, why does HN care so much, apparently? :)

Read the article goddamnit this isn’t reddit..

As of the last few months, one is hard pressed to tell the difference.
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