Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

Post by Tomte » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:06 AM UTC

radisb wrote: post #10

Tomte wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it is. Raids can also be at witnesses' places if it is necessary to get the evidence. Otherwise I'd simply stow the bodies in my friends' cellars.

Help me understand as I am not living in Germany: Authorities can search and seize property of any civilian without a warrant if said civilian is just a witness? If yes, then who decides and how is it decided that someone is a witness? If for example I happen to stand in front of my window and witness a crime being committed in the street, they could search my house without any consent or warrant?

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:10 AM UTC

pennaMan wrote: post #8

blattimwind wrote: post #4

The gist of it: Someone did something probably illegal and put a @riseup mail in as the contact info. Police looked at riseup (Not-in-Germany) and found some people (In-Germany) forwarding donation money to riseup. Police and state prosecutor somehow conclude that these donations might be relevant and seizes them (and the usual bycatch). -- Now my commentary: On the face of it this seems overblown and rather out of p…

I'm sure, as the article says, if they search every @gmail user because of one @gmail criminal they will eventually search the criminal too. How is that a different story?

Post by DoctorOetker » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:15 AM UTC

Tomte wrote: post #3

Rjevski wrote: post #2

Not an expert in German legislation, but is this even legal? Seems like those people weren't convicted nor even suspected of crimes. I hope the victims fight back and get adequate compensation.

Of course it is. Raids can also be at witnesses' places if it is necessary to get the evidence. Otherwise I'd simply stow the bodies in my friends' cellars.

Post by YouAreGreat » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:23 AM UTC

Tomte wrote: post #11

radisb wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Help me understand as I am not living in Germany: Authorities can search and seize property of any civilian without a warrant if said civilian is just a witness? If yes, then who decides and how is it decided that someone is a witness? If for example I happen to stand in front of my window and witness a crime being committed in the street, they could search my house without any consent or warrant?

It is highly probable that there was a warrant. Why do you claim otherwise, have I overlooked such reporting in the article or elsewhere?

Post by madmulita » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:26 AM UTC

erric wrote: post #12

donquichotte wrote: post #6

Fun fact: the police found a "3d printed, bomb shaped object" and put it into an evidence bag with the label "offence: causing an explosive blast". The object can be seen in action here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2HDoyKE2W8

That looks incrediblely dangerous. They should be locked up for life for possessing such terrible means of mass destruction.