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Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by degif »

xwvvvvwx wrote: post #35
degif wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now IOTA works as a content storage and distribution "database" regarding to what we are building, so it's more simple than Ethereum smart contracts and their own language. The API SDK's are all there and are working great for us!

Does the SDK call out to some server running a node somewhere, or does it actually implement a client side IOTA node in JS?

To check the data authenticity it's connecting to a node server for the data synchronisation, the data encryption happens on the client side. Client side nodes are on IOTAs roadmap as it's a technical challenge to synchronise with the network by just storing a small chunk of it.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#42

Post by RoqueNE »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #25
RoqueNE wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder why you only post the old negative articles. There are maybe 5 articles that claim they found something negative, but 20 that are positive or directly debunking the negative articles using credible professional sources. The nonsense about the 'vulnerability' neha found got destroyed in multiple answers. either directly from the devs or from independent sources. Just yesterday one of the core devs answered (aga…

did you literally just sign up for a comment on this post? bad idea to come in here guns blazing ... what usually works very well on the Internet as a newcomer to any site is to lurk a little. get a feel for the vibe and the people, then decide if you fit-in and comment.

That i get heavy downvoted here just proof that i hit a nerve. Job done. I'm happy with that.

People seem to just see the FUD Articles and think right away "Oh yea, MIT, must be true", without even thinking about checking the sources.

If the old members here don't want to read the other side, okay, but newcomers should not get dragged in this vortex of misinformations.

Seriously people, read all information and you will see very fast that 99% of all posted Anti-IOTA articles are biased nonsense.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#43

Post by caruana »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #37
forvelin wrote: post #30

Amount of 'newbie investors' in IOTA and their over-zealous defence in any medium is scary. We've had Perl people, Python people, Ruby people and their arguments but none of those invested their money in languages' success. This blockchain programming zeal mixed with investors trying to hype their currency is annoying and mildly scary.

indeed very distracting! Becomes impossible to argue when everyone is so pumped by their possible financial ROI that they're blind to any criticism. And then there is the fanboys / evangelists who sign up to forums like this just for spreading their belief. Like mindless bots. The whole technology is fascinating but it's a pain for researching facts when half the community is biased the other half are morons.

I know this will get down votes (but I'm generally a sarcastic guy so please take this in that spirit): if half are biased and half are morons what camp do you fall in? :)

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#44

Post by edejong »

fijter wrote: post #16
xwvvvvwx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really deep into this, and haven't even read the whitepaper, but looking from the outside there are a lot of red flags around this project: - Use of ternary logic [1] - Writing their own hash function [1] - Claiming that the flaws in the hash function were 'copy protection' [2] - The Github issues page for their wallet client [3] I've heard that the DAG approach has merit, but from what I've seen I would not trus…

1: By using a ternary number system, the amount of devices and cycles can be reduced significantly. In contrast to two-state devices, multistate devices provide better radix economy with the option for further scaling 2: Why is explained here: https://blog.iota.org/the-transparency-compendium-26aa5bb8e2... - CyberCrypt is hired to review and audit it. 3: The wallet is secure and does what it needs to do, no, it's not…

ad 1. Citation needed

ad 2. From the article: "Let’s begin with the common sense, IOTA’s Tangle is a significant leap forward from blockchain". Why do you believe this subjective superlative when the protocol is still in beta and heavily contested? It's like saying: "Fusion reactors are a significant leap foward", while no production ready fusion reactors exist. You cannot make this claim unless you're willing to attest to the correctness and production-readiness. This seems common sense to me.

ad 2: What is this document? "The Transparency Compendium", "Transparency Report", "Blog post"? All of them are mentioned, but there is no mention whether this is an official statement, or just a sputter of random thoughts by the author. It seems official, but isn't.

ad 2: No mention of CyberCrypt in that article. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Also, Occam's Razor. That's what I like about the original bitcoin protocol, it's as simple as necessary, but not simpler.

ad 3: It doesn't need to be pretty or user friendly. The complaints are about people losing their IOTA's and all kind of other complaints. Please address these complaints head-on, instead of just making blanket remarks about user-friendliness.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#45

Post by fijter »

DiThi wrote: post #32
fijter wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1: By using a ternary number system, the amount of devices and cycles can be reduced significantly. In contrast to two-state devices, multistate devices provide better radix economy with the option for further scaling 2: Why is explained here: https://blog.iota.org/the-transparency-compendium-26aa5bb8e2... - CyberCrypt is hired to review and audit it. 3: The wallet is secure and does what it needs to do, no, it's not…

> 1: By using a ternary number system, the amount of devices and cycles can be reduced significantly. How does that work? Trying to find information, it looks like it's designed for devices of the future that don't exist; so it's built on assumptions that may be plain wrong.

It would be ideal on trinary hardware, but it can work with a trinary emulator for now. I expect to see a Trinary chip very soon. CfB, one of the core devs of IOTA, founder of NXT and inventor of PoS has a team that has been working on Jinn (trinary cpu's) for the last 6 years.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#46

Post by nikuda »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #37
forvelin wrote: post #30

Amount of 'newbie investors' in IOTA and their over-zealous defence in any medium is scary. We've had Perl people, Python people, Ruby people and their arguments but none of those invested their money in languages' success. This blockchain programming zeal mixed with investors trying to hype their currency is annoying and mildly scary.

indeed very distracting! Becomes impossible to argue when everyone is so pumped by their possible financial ROI that they're blind to any criticism. And then there is the fanboys / evangelists who sign up to forums like this just for spreading their belief. Like mindless bots. The whole technology is fascinating but it's a pain for researching facts when half the community is biased the other half are morons.

The reason for presence of fanboys in IOTA's case seems almost entirely a reaction to deliberate misinformation being spread about IOTA.

In 24 hours, the price of IOTA tanked from a high of $5.50 to a low of around $3, beginning just after a vitriolic tweet brought up an old security vulnerability in the Tangle network that was discovered by an MIT lab. Of course, the tweet conveniently failed to mention that the vulnerability had since been removed and confirmed as such by the same lab.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201...

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#47

Post by fijter »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #37
forvelin wrote: post #30

Amount of 'newbie investors' in IOTA and their over-zealous defence in any medium is scary. We've had Perl people, Python people, Ruby people and their arguments but none of those invested their money in languages' success. This blockchain programming zeal mixed with investors trying to hype their currency is annoying and mildly scary.

indeed very distracting! Becomes impossible to argue when everyone is so pumped by their possible financial ROI that they're blind to any criticism. And then there is the fanboys / evangelists who sign up to forums like this just for spreading their belief. Like mindless bots. The whole technology is fascinating but it's a pain for researching facts when half the community is biased the other half are morons.

It's not about being blind to criticism, it's about lies being told about a cool new technology in a thread about a cool project build on top of it. This complete comment thread has been taken over by a discussion about IOTA, about parts of IOTA that are not very relevant to this project, and the authors comments of the project who's here as well get snowed under due to this.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#48

Post by DyslexicAtheist »

caruana wrote: post #43
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

indeed very distracting! Becomes impossible to argue when everyone is so pumped by their possible financial ROI that they're blind to any criticism. And then there is the fanboys / evangelists who sign up to forums like this just for spreading their belief. Like mindless bots. The whole technology is fascinating but it's a pain for researching facts when half the community is biased the other half are morons.

I know this will get down votes (but I'm generally a sarcastic guy so please take this in that spirit): if half are biased and half are morons what camp do you fall in? :)

You don't have to be part of the crypto-zoo. You can just stand on the side observing and shaking your head.

Disclaimer: I personally don't gamble/speculate and therefore don't have any crypto currencies in my possession. (this argument is usually used by IOTA fanboys to discredit critics of their currency/ICO)

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#49

Post by xwvvvvwx »

degif wrote: post #41
xwvvvvwx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the SDK call out to some server running a node somewhere, or does it actually implement a client side IOTA node in JS?

To check the data authenticity it's connecting to a node server for the data synchronisation, the data encryption happens on the client side. Client side nodes are on IOTAs roadmap as it's a technical challenge to synchronise with the network by just storing a small chunk of it.

Who runs the server?

What incentive do they have to expend resources to commit data to the ledger?

How can you trust that they have committed what you asked them to?

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

#50

Post by DyslexicAtheist »

RoqueNE wrote: post #42
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

did you literally just sign up for a comment on this post? bad idea to come in here guns blazing ... what usually works very well on the Internet as a newcomer to any site is to lurk a little. get a feel for the vibe and the people, then decide if you fit-in and comment.

That i get heavy downvoted here just proof that i hit a nerve. Job done. I'm happy with that. People seem to just see the FUD Articles and think right away "Oh yea, MIT, must be true", without even thinking about checking the sources. If the old members here don't want to read the other side, okay, but newcomers should not get dragged in this vortex of misinformations. Seriously people, read all information and you w…

so much that IOTA hat to launch a smear-campaign against MIT researchers claiming their "arguments are FUD because they are invested in competing technology" (like zcash or btc).

You're an anonymous troll with 0 karma[1] that has only just signed up to "correct/convert" people. Please, just go away. Thanks.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=RoqueNE

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