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Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by silversvrfer »

xwvvvvwx wrote: post #23
silversvrfer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, -Can you explain why the use of ternary logic is red flag? I can explain why it is not but you have to justify your statement first. You calling the use of ternary logic a red flag must be based off of something I assume. -They used a custom Hash functio called "Curl". But they now replaced it with KECCAK-384. Curl is now being reviewed by a third party. -For this, I will let CFB (one of the devs) to explain. htt…

Ternary logic is a pretty niche thing. As I understand it the claimed benefit is improved efficiency / elegance for some mathematical operations when run on a ternary computer. However since all modern hardware is binary, the use of ternary logic only serves to introduce an unnecessary software based translation layer, simultaneously increasing complexity and reducing performance. I would consider this to be an examp…

I would not consider in poor engineering judgement. It is a judgement yes. By using binary, you don't need conversion but lose computational power. By using ternary, you lose thru conversion but gain computational power.

In the end of the day, you have to choose as a dev.

So to your point, I don't consider it a red flag. You can even interpret it as "thinking outside the box". Yes ternary is more complex, that's what the devs are here for.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by DiThi »

fijter wrote: post #16
xwvvvvwx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really deep into this, and haven't even read the whitepaper, but looking from the outside there are a lot of red flags around this project: - Use of ternary logic [1] - Writing their own hash function [1] - Claiming that the flaws in the hash function were 'copy protection' [2] - The Github issues page for their wallet client [3] I've heard that the DAG approach has merit, but from what I've seen I would not trus…

1: By using a ternary number system, the amount of devices and cycles can be reduced significantly. In contrast to two-state devices, multistate devices provide better radix economy with the option for further scaling 2: Why is explained here: https://blog.iota.org/the-transparency-compendium-26aa5bb8e2... - CyberCrypt is hired to review and audit it. 3: The wallet is secure and does what it needs to do, no, it's not…

> 1: By using a ternary number system, the amount of devices and cycles can be reduced significantly.

How does that work? Trying to find information, it looks like it's designed for devices of the future that don't exist; so it's built on assumptions that may be plain wrong.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

RoqueNE wrote: post #8
Egidius wrote: post #2

Only 4 days ago this was posted: http://codesuppository.blogspot.nl/2017/12/iota-tangled-mess... Next to that I found this great article in the comments: https://medium.com/@neha/cryptographic-vulnerabilities-in-io...

Wonder why you only post the old negative articles. There are maybe 5 articles that claim they found something negative, but 20 that are positive or directly debunking the negative articles using credible professional sources. The nonsense about the 'vulnerability' neha found got destroyed in multiple answers. either directly from the devs or from independent sources. Just yesterday one of the core devs answered (aga…

> Wonder why you only post the old negative articles. There are maybe 5 articles that claim they found something negative, but 20 that are positive or directly debunking the negative articles using credible professional sources.

here you have a couple more:

1) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQcxVVhUIAAVAY0.jpg:large

2) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQQKnDiU8AAQJRW.jpg

3) https://hackernoon.com/why-i-find-iota-deeply-alarming-934f1...

I have plenty of private email discussions and transcripts from calls with 2 of the IOTA guys from when they started out. All I say at this stage is that they have been engaging in pump+dump. The situation with their "fake" partners was carefully designed to help with that.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by DiThi »

silversvrfer wrote: post #31
xwvvvvwx wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ternary logic is a pretty niche thing. As I understand it the claimed benefit is improved efficiency / elegance for some mathematical operations when run on a ternary computer. However since all modern hardware is binary, the use of ternary logic only serves to introduce an unnecessary software based translation layer, simultaneously increasing complexity and reducing performance. I would consider this to be an examp…

I would not consider in poor engineering judgement. It is a judgement yes. By using binary, you don't need conversion but lose computational power. By using ternary, you lose thru conversion but gain computational power. In the end of the day, you have to choose as a dev. So to your point, I don't consider it a red flag. You can even interpret it as "thinking outside the box". Yes ternary is more complex, that's what…

> By using ternary, you lose thru conversion but gain computational power.

How does that work? Isn't it being emulated on binary hardware?

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by xwvvvvwx »

degif wrote: post #21
xwvvvvwx wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice work! This seems really slick :) How has your experience of building with IOTA been? Is there a good SDK / documentation somewhere? I've just started digging into Ethereum and so far I've been a bit disappointed by the standard of the tooling... :/

Right now IOTA works as a content storage and distribution "database" regarding to what we are building, so it's more simple than Ethereum smart contracts and their own language. The API SDK's are all there and are working great for us!

Does the SDK call out to some server running a node somewhere, or does it actually implement a client side IOTA node in JS?

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

forvelin wrote: post #30

Amount of 'newbie investors' in IOTA and their over-zealous defence in any medium is scary. We've had Perl people, Python people, Ruby people and their arguments but none of those invested their money in languages' success. This blockchain programming zeal mixed with investors trying to hype their currency is annoying and mildly scary.

indeed very distracting! Becomes impossible to argue when everyone is so pumped by their possible financial ROI that they're blind to any criticism.

And then there is the fanboys / evangelists who sign up to forums like this just for spreading their belief. Like mindless bots. The whole technology is fascinating but it's a pain for researching facts when half the community is biased the other half are morons.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by nikuda »

forvelin wrote: post #30

Amount of 'newbie investors' in IOTA and their over-zealous defence in any medium is scary. We've had Perl people, Python people, Ruby people and their arguments but none of those invested their money in languages' success. This blockchain programming zeal mixed with investors trying to hype their currency is annoying and mildly scary.

It's even worse when you realise a lot of them are kids, playing with manipulation tactics for quick "pump and dumps" on discord channels etc. Crypto in general is a madhouse.

Re: Fog.sh – decentralized content publishing on the IOTA ledger

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Post by zaidf »

nikuda wrote: post #38
forvelin wrote: post #30

Amount of 'newbie investors' in IOTA and their over-zealous defence in any medium is scary. We've had Perl people, Python people, Ruby people and their arguments but none of those invested their money in languages' success. This blockchain programming zeal mixed with investors trying to hype their currency is annoying and mildly scary.

It's even worse when you realise a lot of them are kids, playing with manipulation tactics for quick "pump and dumps" on discord channels etc. Crypto in general is a madhouse.

Welcome to 1997. The ride is only starting.
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