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Israel is interested in self-preservation, the United States is interested in imperialism. This is the root difference in the strategies; we stay in Iraq or Afghanistan because our leaders want to establish friendly governments there. If we left, the people would reject the sham governments we've installed and resort back to something that provides their needs, fundamentally, stability and security. It's a privilege…

The only alternative to 'sham' governments imposed from outside are 'strong men', Saddam, for all his shortcomings functioned remarkably well in that role as did for instance Tito in former Yugoslavia. Tribal friction needs an equally strong force to overcome it if a country is not to explode into its constituent parts. So if you remove the strong man once he's established terrible stuff can happen, sometimes worse t…

> The only alternative to 'sham' governments imposed from outside are 'strong men'

Please be careful with that. In my country (brazil) we had a US-sponsored military dictatorship in the sixties-eighties that was both "strong men" and a "sham government", and it crushed a lot of the intellectual and cultural development happening in brazil at the time, all the while only preventing a very small risk that the country would turn communist. And today one of our most US-friendly presidents (Lula) is an ex revolutionary (and many people in his government were politically persecuted, exiled and tortured during the dictatorship).

It's really awful to think that this is still happening in other places around the world, and that fundamentally the american people do not see any major problem with the idea of interfering militarly in a government across the globe.

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Good/bad dictators is a well known debate. "King" is an old term for "[military] dictator". One bad problem is that most every king/dictator made certain to put his own relatives in positions of power. That means that the leadership competence in future generations will be very varied. From history studies, somewhere between 25%-75% of my country's royalty were total asshats. When you have a fixed incompetent leaders…

Interesting HN comment about that Churchill quote: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=571797

I've read about that discussion but lacked the energy. :-)

(Anyway, your link might have a point in that the inherited dictators might on average be less actively evil than those that crawl to the top of the heap. That seems like arguing that some cancer form has a little bit less mortality than lung cancer. It might be true, but the practical/emotional impact is low.)

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Of the two methods currently being used to deal with the militant Islamic fanatics, the 'War On Terror' has only really achieved in causing mass terror amongst our own people and imprison hundreds of innocent people because our government's criteria for 'wrong place and wrong time' were basically Afghanistan and post-invasion. However the allegedly Israeli approach causes virtually no terror to our own people (in fac…

The problem with that, from the perspective of the instigators of the "War on Terror," is that you don't get to show off what a big dick you are when you pull off an effective intelligence operation. Suskind's book The One-Percent Doctrine is very revealing in this regard. There were effective intelligence operations against Al Qaeda, but the fruits of them were repeatedly squandered for egotistical reasons. In one case, the CIA decapitated the main financial institution used by Al Qaeda and put their own guy in charge of it. This really shone a light on Al Qaeda endeavors for a time, but the US government kept giving the insights they gleaned from it to the Israelis (with no obvious quid pro quo) and the Israelis kept using those insights to solve their own internal problems until people twigged and started finding more secure ways to move their money around.

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The only alternative to 'sham' governments imposed from outside are 'strong men', Saddam, for all his shortcomings functioned remarkably well in that role as did for instance Tito in former Yugoslavia. Tribal friction needs an equally strong force to overcome it if a country is not to explode into its constituent parts. So if you remove the strong man once he's established terrible stuff can happen, sometimes worse t…

> The only alternative to 'sham' governments imposed from outside are 'strong men' Please be careful with that. In my country (brazil) we had a US-sponsored military dictatorship in the sixties-eighties that was both "strong men" and a "sham government", and it crushed a lot of the intellectual and cultural development happening in brazil at the time, all the while only preventing a very small risk that the country w…

Alex, I'm sorry if I came across as a supporter of such trickery, rather the opposite.

Apologies, that was definitely not my intention.

But just like Castro was propped up by the former USSR at the time of his ascendency, so was Tito, and Saddam was actually a puppet of the US.

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The only alternative to 'sham' governments imposed from outside are 'strong men', Saddam, for all his shortcomings functioned remarkably well in that role as did for instance Tito in former Yugoslavia. Tribal friction needs an equally strong force to overcome it if a country is not to explode into its constituent parts. So if you remove the strong man once he's established terrible stuff can happen, sometimes worse t…

> The only alternative to 'sham' governments imposed from outside are 'strong men' Maliki seems to be on course for fulfilling that role in Iraq.

I agree with you, he definitely is. And that basically makes him the next Saddam.
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