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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by latexr »

belorn wrote: post #379
messe wrote: post #112

This should not have been flagged off the front page. I really worry for the people in the US, but I'm hopeful it's hegemony is ending.

Can we have a discussion that improves in quality if people dissent to the view of the article, agree with the article, or hold a view that is something in between? If the answer is no then the risk that someone will flag the article increases dramatically. If the discussion environment isn't open and peaceful then how much more likely isn't it that people will just disengage, flag, and then move on.

Considering how often I’ve been seeing people on HN ardently defending everything Trump and “owning the libs”, I somehow doubt “open and peaceful discussion environment” is the deciding factor in flagging submissions of this nature.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by latexr »

throwerxyz wrote: post #388
Acatalepsy wrote: post #364

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So what? Are you're saying what ICE is doing is justified somehow?

Let me check. Population of democracy vote for something. President of democracy enacts stronger power for that something. That something gets done. People who disagree with democratic powers doing what they said they were going to do want to stop it by force . That something now gets done, by force . --- Sounds justified because it is.

No one, absolutely zero people, voted for giving the president the power to ignore all checks and balances, taking a dump on the democracy you’re so fond of.

We know for certain no people voted for it, because the option was never on a ballot.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by xphos »

messe wrote: post #112

This should not have been flagged off the front page. I really worry for the people in the US, but I'm hopeful it's hegemony is ending.

When your political reality becomes scary. Confronting reality is scary. Politics is scary but honestly living in facism is just about the worst thing for founder culture imaginable

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by dang »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #386
dang wrote: post #214

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You've replied before I even had a chance to add a second sentence! Edit: admittedly it is taking longer than usual... I've answered that point many times, e.g. recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 . If you take a look at that and have a question that isn't answered there (or here), I'd be happy to take a crack at it. I haven't had a chance to look at the flaggers of these recent stories to ve…

dang, first thank you for the moderation explanations Besides those who flag political posts they don't agree with (which is a problem), I see a conflict in the comments between those who think HN should be "politic-frei" because this is a "tech site" and "if I wanted to read about politics I'd go to reddit", and those who agree this is a "tech/science/expand-curiosity-about-the-world site", and that's what makes HN…

Yes, both of those positions are ones that one hears in the comments, among others.

The 'official', if I have to call it that, position of HN is closer to the second than the first, although I wouldn't say identical.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by [deleted] »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #323
zahlman wrote: post #280

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>I flag them because they're trying to establish the use of a highly subjective and derogatory term as fact. Fascism isn't a subjective matter. We have loads of definition and the article makes a serious argument. If the quality of the article matches the subject matter, it's not flag worthy. That's why I don't flag on ideology. I flag based on if 1) this inspires curiosity and 2) does not inspire hate (which is usua…

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Jensson »

ezst wrote: post #58
azakai wrote: post #33

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If this interested you, here is another detailed and precise article by a historian, on the same topic: https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-...

…and another one, much less academic in style and substance, but no less informative and relevant: https://scribe.rip/@carmitage/i-researched-every-attempt-to-...

> I researched every Democratic attempt to stop fascism in history. the success rate after fascists were elected was 0%.

Ergo Trump isn't fascist since he already was elected and democracy removed him once before. Otherwise they have to say that there has been one successful attempt for democracy to remove a fascist. Only reason Trump won the last election was that the democrats failed so hard at coming up with good candidates, if they had someone as good as John Biden before dementia Trump would have lost, trying to hide his dementia is why Trump rules today.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Jensson »

gizmov21 wrote: post #133
quercus wrote: post #37

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“weak men create hard times” never fails

Who are the “weak men” in your interpretation of today’s scenario? I have my own ideas but I wonder about others.

The presidential candidates the democrats presented. Trump didn't win this election, democrats lost it by not offering a candidate people wanted to vote for.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by TimorousBestie »

zahlman wrote: post #375
jacquesm wrote: post #343

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The main reason to avoid flamewars is to protect the atmosphere on HN but you can't make the case that if the world is on fire we can just sit here and pretend it isn't happening and discuss the latest tweak to react as though it is the most important thing in the world. I've long argued for a 'other' category as one overflow method or a homepage that is generic and subject specific pages for those that only want LLM…

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If I were in your shoes, I would consider dang’s response in this thread and contemplate whether this is the correct forum for your style of political analysis.

I did observe some of this activity over the past couple days and note that many of your interlocutors were also flagged, downvoted, etc., and not always for clearly legitimate reasons. I turned on showdead for a while just to follow the plot. So it goes.

I think it’s a good policy (in general, not specific to HN) to match your interlocutor’s effort. There’s no return on investment in any case.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by mingus88 »

zahlman wrote: post #293
mingus88 wrote: post #43

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Then why isn’t ICE in the states with the most immigrants?

They are. (see e.g. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-ar... ) And they have been, the whole time. ICE has arrested and deported far more people from Texas than Minnesota (e.g. https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-immigration-crac... ; https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigra... ; https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/im... ; many other sources can…

Oh, good to know. Executing law abiding citizens in cold blood is fair game then.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by mingus88 »

zahlman wrote: post #299
mingus88 wrote: post #64

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Agreed. If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations, where they would have full cooperation from the local government and citizens who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Those supporters who care about enforcing immigration laws would directly benefit. This is obviously violence directed at Minnesota, who is led by a political opponent. It’s capital…

> If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations They did; see my other reply.

How about business owners who are hiring the illegal immigrants? When aren’t they going after the supply?
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