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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

dlubarov wrote: post #84
monocasa wrote: post #77

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Would reporting from the NYT citing Israeli military officials saying that this didn't happen on any notable scale help convince people? No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

The UN's own data ( https://app.un2720.org/tracking ) shows 86,531 pallets were intercepted, while only 26,772 pallets arrived at their intended destination. We don't know many of the interceptions Hamas was behind, but that isn't really important.

First of all your own link clearly states "Intercepted: Either peacefully by hungry people or forcefully by armed actors, during transit in Gaza".

Secondly, nobody can tell who intercepted what, it could very well be that the IDF is intercepting them covertly.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

RobertoG wrote: post #343
JamesAdir wrote: post #334

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Do you really believe that this have anything to do with the hostages? They want the land, that's it. It could be done little by little or it could be done like now, when they have an excuse. But the end goal is the same. Do you think that what they are doing in the west-bank have anything to do with the hostages or Hamas?

> Do you really believe that this have anything to do with the hostages?

To a significant degree, yes. If Hamas turned over the hostages today, Israel's position would significantly weaken. Palestinians' would strength. But so would Hamas', which is why they haven't.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by csb6 »

ge96 wrote: post #299

I've seen air dropping videos, if random countries were to try that would they be at risk of being shot down, probably right for violating air space (cough cough).

Yes, airdrops are only done with permission from Israel since they control Gaza airspace (they have for decades). But airdrops are not an efficient way to feed millions of people (and the pallets have killed multiple people by landing on them). Shipping by truck allows a much larger volume much faster, and the UN has experience doing so, but they have been largely blocked from doing so for months by Israel, which runs its own much less efficient aid operation with many fewer distribution points guarded by mercenaries who regularly kill aid seekers who often have to travel long distances through dangerous areas.

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Post by flyinglizard »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #305
flyinglizard wrote: post #251

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Rhodesia was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better. Apartheid South Africa was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better. French Algeria was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better. When Israel gets similarly "destroyed", and it is no longer a supremacist colonial state, and the people who remain are living with equal rights, it will be for the better. Everyone other than colonists and white s…

What an interesting historical stretch to call Jews "invaders" in Israel, when the entire place is riddled with Jewish history and artefacts dating back thousands of years.

While Rhodesia and South Africa were colonial experiments by people with no prior connection to Africa, that's not the case with Israel. Since the onset of told history there were Jews in that area.

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Post by phgn »

JamesAdir wrote: post #336
yibg wrote: post #290

It's wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation. Weird that it needs to be said, but this is why war crimes are a thing. Just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.

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It's not, this conflict was started by Israel in 1948. The current genocide is just the most extreme phase of an ongoing, highly unequal, struggle since then.

Hamas releasing hostages will not end the genocide. Look at how the last ceasefire was intentionally broken by Israel.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

chakintosh wrote: post #377

> How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza Way to whitewash a genocide. The title make it sound like the famine is accidental or an unintended consequence of Israel's "actions". While in reality, it's the sole purpose of what Israel is doing in Gaza for years, they are conducting a genocide, plain and simple.

> Way to whitewash a genocide

I honestly think invoking the g- word is harmful to the Palestinian cause at this point.

It's a war. There are war crimes. Maybe there's genocidal intent. But that seems like a distraction compared to actual harm on the ground.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #387
4gotunameagain wrote: post #382

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I would go as far as to say that the very existence of Hamas is due to the actions of Israel. Do you think that Israel, with the most advanced intelligence agency in the world, capable of planting bombs in pagers just in case for when they need them, did not know about the october 7 attack beforehand ??

> Do you think that Israel, with the most advanced intelligence agency in the world, capable of planting bombs in pagers just in case for when they need them, did not know about the october 7 attack beforehand ?? Yes. Quite easily. We missed 9/11. And nobody can still find Al Houthi.

9/11 is incomparable. The amount of resources and interest Israel has to monitor the movements of Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere, particularly the Hamas, cannot possibly compare with US trying to keep tabs on half a continent across the globe.

And finding a simple person that could be anywhere is also an incomparable situation.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by istjohn »

jameshilliard wrote: post #292
chollida1 wrote: post #235

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I can't believe I'm weighing in on a political thread, but the "deal" is very one sided. It offers very little for the Palestinians in terms of creating their own country and ability to self govern and gives Israel pretty much everything they want including some control over Palestine. The current "peace deal" is terrible for the Palestinians. No other country would sign it either.

> the "deal" is very one sided This is pretty much one should expect when one starts and loses a war, same as with the surrender of Nazi Germany and the Japanese at the end of WW2. > The current "peace deal" is terrible for the Palestinians. No other country would sign it either. It's a surrender agreement effectively, it's certainly not a peace deal amongst equal parties.

The indigenous people of Palestine did not start this conflict. They did not choose to be colonized by Jews fleeing persecution in Eastern Europe.
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