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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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> So yes, maybe Israel started the war, not least by colonizing a territory and forcibly displacing its inhabitants (also called “stealing their land).

As well as ensuring funding of Hamas[1][2], and willfully ignoring warnings the attack was imminent[3][4].

[1]: https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-...

[2]: https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/seized-documents-qatar-fun...

[3]: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806634

[4]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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> a peace deal that ends all this Netanyahu, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir do not want this peace deal either. There is 0 chance it would be honored.

Netanyahu signed on. I am asking why Hamas won't accept it.

It amazes me how anyone can believe Netanyahu's theatrics at this point.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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If we were to believe Israel, why did they ban foreign media from Gaza? I'm sure the "most moral" army in the world has nothing to hide?

...if foreign media was banned from Gaza, how would you get your propaganda from Hamas now?

How did Hamas get UK/Australia/Canada/France etc to recognise Palestine?

Or do you think that Israel has control over every inch in Gaza...? The truth is that Israel from the media standpoint has lost this war already 2 years ago, on the 8th of October. The world was very sad for just 1 day. The moment Israel decided to go to war, that's when the machine started. They knew, Hamas knew it, they did it on purpose. And they are reaching their goal. So tell me, who is the winner?

Everyone claiming Israel is the worst of the worst - just put yourselves in their shoes, and imagine for a moment that your friend/your husband/wife/baby/kids are still kept hostage by brutal people. Hostage. Not prisoner because they had done something. Hostage - grabbed in the night while sleeping or whatever.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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UK surgeon Nick Maynard, a volunteer at Nasser Hospital, tells Good Morning Britain that he and other doctors tried to bring baby formula into Gaza and the Israelis confiscated it from them with no justification. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ipJEROtHOs

I think we all know what their 'justification' was unfortunately.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Because it doesn't move the situation any closer to liberation of their people and their homeland. They have been willing to constantly fight, and constantly keep getting killed by an enemy with overwhelming advantages, for their cause for two years now. Why would you assume that being able to escape with their lives is suddenly more important to them?

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Rhodesia was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better.

Apartheid South Africa was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better.

French Algeria was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better.

When Israel gets similarly "destroyed", and it is no longer a supremacist colonial state, and the people who remain are living with equal rights, it will be for the better. Everyone other than colonists and white supremacists understand this. If yoru country was colonized by outside invaders, you would understand anti-colonial struggle perfectly well.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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The man speaking is Ayman Odeh [1], an Arab Israeli MK and chairman of Hadash, a left-wing Arab Israeli party. Arab Israelis and their political leaders are marginalized in Israeli society. Arab Israeli parties are largely considered illegitimate by a majority of Jewish Israelis. Political opposition to the starvation of Gaza is still marginal, especially in Jewish society. Protests in Arab cities against the starvat…

Just to be fair, Israel itself is considered illegitimate by those parties. I doubt most democracies would let parties that are staunchly anti-state run, but Israel, for some reason, does.

Do any of the Scottish National Party, Plaid Cymru or Sinn Féin count? I have no doubt there are similar elsewhere...

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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"Israel accused the IPC of lowering the second threshold of acutely malnourished children for a famine declaration, which the IPC has denied." Damn, Israel is really arguing about how much child starvation they are allowed to inflict before it becomes egregious? That might be another one of those "are we the baddies?" moments right there.

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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UK surgeon Nick Maynard, a volunteer at Nasser Hospital, tells Good Morning Britain that he and other doctors tried to bring baby formula into Gaza and the Israelis confiscated it from them with no justification. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ipJEROtHOs

Would it be acceptable even with a justification?

If a justification was given we'd be able to evaluate the worthiness of that decision - if there were technical notes about, for instance, food safety concerns, we could evaluate the justification against other standards in different areas of the world around proper formula storage.

Without a justification the decision is arbitrary and silences any ability to push back against it within the normal bounds of dialog. A justification would potentially allow aid groups to remedy whatever the specific deficiency is if it is a reasonable deficiency to remedy.

If there was a justification it might be acceptable - depending on the justification - without a justification it is unacceptable when there is such a clear need. The aid is blocked and there is no recourse to unblock it outside the current attempts to just smuggle it in.

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