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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by JohnKemeny »

QuercusMax wrote: post #325
herval wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is certainly fumbling in recent years, and it's clearly behind in some games (Siri, AI in general, iPhones turning into a yearly snooze-fest). But of all the FAANG, I'd say it's the only one I trust, simply because they're not trying to sell my data and have a consistent stance on security.

Tim Cook giving Trump a gold-plated statue in exchange for tariff preferences seems like a very bad sign.

He didn't give him a statue, he gave him a gold bar. A literal gold bar. With a plaque.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by smsm42 »

paxys wrote: post #43

Not too surprising considering how big a lead Github had in the generative coding space and how it managed to give it all up to a half dozen different companies over the last few years. An executive shakeup was long overdue.

For Microsoft it probably makes a lot of sense. For me as a Github user, I don't need "generative coding space" from github at all. That's not what I have been using it for for many years, and that's not what I want to use it for. I mean, Copilot is nice and useful but has preciously little to do with Github per se - if it didn't mention "Github" in the name, I'd see no relationship between the two at all. Code generation belongs in the IDE, Github is not an IDE - Github is what happens before and after the IDE, and keeping it separate works just fine. I'm afraid though Microsoft would try to push them together, and the result would be much worse than the starting point.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by chrisco255 »

cnst wrote: post #359
JohnTHaller wrote: post #3

GitHub will now fall under Microsoft's CoreAI team, which give some indication of GitHub's purpose and direction going forward.

This is kinda pretty ridiculous. Isn't GitHub's entire visibility and pervasiveness is entirely due to the OSS? So, now they're basically saying to OSS, "so long, and thanks for all the fish"?

Github as a platform itself though, isn't open source.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by bbor »

coliveira wrote: post #217
bongodongobob wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> None of these big tech companies have leveraged AI to build anything remotely interesting from a product perspective. Its truly astounding how bad they are at it. Oh my God, tell me about it. Our C levels are being fed bullshit by all of our vendors about how AI is going to transform their business. Every few weeks I have to ask "what the fuck does that mean exactly?" "Oh, well, agentic AI and workflows blah blah."…

It's very funny that for pretty much any use case of LLMs, they're either too expensive or too incapable or both! There may be a few uses that make sense, but it seems to be incredibly hard to find the balance.

It blows my mind how many computing professionals truly think this is the case. It doesn't take a tech blogger to draw a trend line through the advancements of the past 2.5 years and see where we're headed. The fact that grifters abound on the edges of the industry is a sign of the radical importance of this unexpected breakthrough, not an indication that it's all a grift.

To engage in some armchair psychology, I think this is in large part due to a natural human tendency for stability (which is all the stronger for those in relatively powerful positions like us SWEs). Knowing that believing A would imply that your mortgage is in jeopardy, your retirement plan up-ended, and your entire career completely obscured beyond a figurative singularity point makes believing ~A a very appealing option...

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by sleepybrett »

grepfru_it wrote: post #371
pjmlp wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the whole XBox division has been a mess, especially after ABK. However XBox plus Microsoft Gaming Studios, is still one of the biggest group of AAA publishers, they have a big enough slice of the market. Hence why now they're dominating PlayStation charts with cross-platform games. Many Microsoft haters don't have an good enough idea of how big they have become on games industry, regardless of layoffs and such.…

I would not be surprised if Steam came to Xbox

The only way microsoft would allow that is if they got a cut of every sale.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by insane_dreamer »

827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

> None of these big tech companies have leveraged AI to build anything remotely interesting from a product perspective

The coding agents, CC, Cursor, etc. are quite good and useful.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by nobleach »

sho_hn wrote: post #226
bee_rider wrote: post #143

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Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best. Microsoft is the Walmart of operating system providers, that happened to buy a popular Git hosting site and briefly made noises that seemed not awful. In terms of coolness…

> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

If that's what you "mostly" remember, your memory is awfully selective. It's totally fine for you to have a bias, but you're overlooking decades of massively successful products and services.

Having owned plenty of Thinkpads (Linux), Dells(Windows and Linux) and plenty of Macbook Pros, I can say, Apple's superiority of hardware is so far beyond the rest. Having an OS with a BSD-ish experience is really nice as well. I've spent 27 years in engineering and during most of that time I get the random "Linux is far superior", "I like Windows better" folks... but by and large, yes, Apple's tech has a ton of good will.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by leoc »

mightysashiman wrote: post #255
pjmlp wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you missed the whole Microsoft <3 FOSS, right after Satya took over?

did anyone believe it?!

You can see the reactions in 2014: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7524082 . Pretty positive overall!

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by worik »

herval wrote: post #298
sho_hn wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

Apple is certainly fumbling in recent years, and it's clearly behind in some games (Siri, AI in general, iPhones turning into a yearly snooze-fest). But of all the FAANG, I'd say it's the only one I trust, simply because they're not trying to sell my data and have a consistent stance on security.

> because they're not trying to sell my data

Are you sure?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by martin-t »

codingdave wrote: post #233

I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company. The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead o…

I've heard this story so many times.

1) A company starts by serving a real customer need, is driven by the people doing real (engineers, designers, mechanics, etc.). 2) The company gets large. The hierarchy gets deeper, decisions are made by people removed from the actual work. 3) The company either a) drives away all the people who actually enjoy quality work and stagnates/devolves b) or is bought by a large corporation, decapitated and absorbed.

How come people will vehemently defend democracy as the only just system of governance at the nation state level but are perfectly OK with dictatorship at the company level?

Worker cooperatives exist and should be the default choice any time people get together to work towards a common goal.

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