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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by snthpy »

benterix wrote: post #309
throwaway3485t8 wrote: post #35

To add insult to injury, it could be the case that Erdogan's degree is fake [1] (I don't know of a single Turkish person NOT voting for him that thinks that his degree is authentic) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan_univ...

No surprise, these folks always accuse others of what they themselves. My pet peeve theory is because they're not great thinkers and they just use what they know best.

So true! It's a psychological phenomenon called Projection.

I think it's quite universal though. It's like our understanding of other people is an extrapolation of our understanding of ourselves. Perhaps people with high EQ can put themselves in the others' position, but many just default to the projection.

Since i learned about this a few years ago, it has explained a lot. For example the WFH vs RTO debate, people who work well from home assume that naturally others would too and vice versa. So to figure out what people are up to, just listen to what they accuse others of doing. Prominent US realiTV politician is a perfect example.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by wavemode »

kelnos wrote: post #295
echelon wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm LGBT and I feel fairly confident in saying that there's no way in hell America will elect a gay man in my lifetime. If Pete is the Democratic candidate, it's a freebie to the Republicans. I think that Democrats that believe a Pete win is possible live in a bubble. Their views are invalid until they travel the States more to increase their exposure to the rest of the electorate.

I (straight guy) unfortunately agree. I hope he runs, at the very least to keep LGBT people visible in all types of politics, but doesn't get past the primary. As much as I hate hate hate hate this, the Democratic party needs to find a charismatic straight white man, preferably one who has served in the military, probably in his late 40s or 50s. Not someone boring (hence the "charismatic" bit), but someone who "fits…

The Democrats don't need a white man, nor someone who served in the military or anything of that sort. People who think this are also living in a bubble. Obama wasn't elected via magic spell.

Democrats just need someone, anyone, who actually has the support of their own party. The last two times they ran someone like that, they won. The last two times they ran someone who either didn't win a primary, or who won a rigged one, they lost.

This feels like Politics 101 yet the party would rather make it about race and gender (not hard to see why - because it helps distract from the party leadership's mistakes and need for replacement...)

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by rafram »

nurettin wrote: post #331
rafram wrote: post #179

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I may be misunderstanding what you’re saying, but it sounds like you’re assuming that women only continue wearing hijab because their families force them to. That’s certainly not the case.

It is extremely rare to meet a hijab girl in Turkey whose family never told her to wear one. For a woman, telling her to wear a hijab as she grows up is pretty much enforcement.

Sure, but it doesn’t follow that they only continue to wear it because their families force them to. Most traditions have to be taught, but that doesn’t mean that they’re only continued by force. My parents sent me to Saturday school where they told me to do Shabbat dinner and taught me the traditions — that doesn’t mean that I’m being forced to sit down for brisket as an adult.

The suggestion was prohibiting the hijab in higher education and subsidizing it, as if the only barrier to conservative women attending an institution where they’re prohibited from dressing traditionally is their parents’ approval. That’s not the case.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by almostgotcaught »

kelnos wrote: post #296
almostgotcaught wrote: post #255

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> gay man i think you're wrong and i certainly don't live in a bubble. but the reason i think you're wrong is not that america is progressive enough accept a gay man but because he's basically not gay; he's absolutely the least gay presenting man in the history of gay presenting men (exaggerating a little). he has no lisp, not an ounce of flamboyancy, nothing, zilch, nada. I'm aware he's fully out and there are photo…

I really don't think any of that matters. "He can pass for straight" is not going to sway much of anyone who is uncomfortable with the idea of a gay president. Sure, some voters would be more comfortable with Buttigieg than with, say, a flamboyantly gay man, but overall I don't see the electorate going for him.

You're missing the key point of my claim: in 2008 you could literally take your comment, replace gay with black, and it would've been just as "credible". And yet Obama was enormously popular and successful. Lots of people even made colorist remarks about him being "white passing"!

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by sigmoid10 »

johnthewise wrote: post #346
sigmoid10 wrote: post #310

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Turkey has a rich history of coups. But when secular parts of the armed forces tried to oust Erdogan's regime by force in 2016, he didn't just fight them off but used the event as a justification to clean house and prevent these things altogether. He's pretty much following Putin's approach at solidifying his position. So 2016 was essentially the death blow to their democracy.

2016 wasn't secular coup. the last of few secular ones were in 2000s, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Justice_and_Development_P...

2016 was specifically because of Erdogan's anti-secular movements:

https://www.haber3.com/guncel/asker-trt-binasinda-iste-039da...

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by kibwen »

chrisco255 wrote: post #141
kibwen wrote: post #80

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Refusing to accept that you lost an election and then attempting an insurrection to overthrow the candidate that you lost to isn't quite the same thing.

J6 wasn't the first protest Washington D.C. has ever seen, but it was somehow the first they allowed to get out of hand.

Don't worry, Trump pardoned all his cronies, so it won't be the last.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by booleandilemma »

overfeed wrote: post #31

In other, recent, non-related news, Columbia University revoked the diplomas of some pro-Palestine protestors[1]. The CBS headline buries the lede, but revoking diplomas is not too low for American universities. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-pro...

But they earned that degree and received it upon graduating right? Isn't this like trying to erase the past? Did they graduate from the university or didn't they? It feels like just another sign of the fabric of our society coming apart.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by randomQ11333 »

r721 wrote: post #278

>Confirmed: Live metrics show #Turkey has restricted access to multiple social media platforms including X, YouTube, Instagram and TikTok; the incident comes as Istanbul mayor Ekrem Imamoglu and dozens of others are detained in events described by the opposition as a "coup" https://x.com/netblocks/status/1902230361968427206 >Turkey detains Istanbul mayor Imamoglu in corruption probe https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-detai…

it's a quite common occurrence here. twitter and instagram get blocked regularly for a few days, even during smaller incidents.

discord is also blocked since last year. not sure the reason. some lgbtq stuff i think.

and when there's an event that could cause uproar, certain areas just get blocked with fences and hundreds of police officers.

it can be quite annoying for me, since i live in the center of istanbul. during women's day two weeks ago for example, i almost couldn't get home since i forgot to take my passport and had to argue with 5 different police to let me through without proof of address. took an hour or so extra.

this happens about 3-4 times a year.

it's a shame, because turkey is actually a really nice place to live, and the people in general are very modern and nice. but every now and then, you get reminded of how good we have it in terms of freedom in most western countries.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by matthewdgreen »

Aurornis wrote: post #155
matthewdgreen wrote: post #117

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They are both situations in which a University was politically pressured by the government to revoke degrees for political purposes. The difference is just the specific goals of the government doing the pressuring. You don’t think Columbia just coincidentally decided to take this action months after the fact, after having its funding pulled by the US administration, do you?

I don’t think you understand how long it takes for universities to decide how to handle punishment situations. This one has a significant complication of parallel legal action. They seized and vandalized a building. They’ve been reviewing evidence and building cases for a long time. These things take time.

If you’re operating an honest judicial board and you’re receiving high profile threats from the US government backed by huge funding cuts to the University, you have a choice. (1) Comply or simply appear to comply, by rendering a favorable ruling immediately, (2) Establish that your ruling is not the result of government pressure. You’d do the latter by (for example) showing your work and proving that the results were already determined before the pressure campaign began; or you’d change the timing so that it doesn’t look like cause and effect; you could even suspend your ruling on the grounds that maintaining the appearance of the University and Board’s independence is a higher priority than punishing a few protestors.

Columbia did none of the things in category (2). I know it’s 2025 and we have to pretend that this apparently corrupt thing is innocent, even while the folks involved make no effort to defend it. But it isn’t innocent, and everyone involved knows what’s going on.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by nurettin »

rafram wrote: post #393
nurettin wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is extremely rare to meet a hijab girl in Turkey whose family never told her to wear one. For a woman, telling her to wear a hijab as she grows up is pretty much enforcement.

Sure, but it doesn’t follow that they only continue to wear it because their families force them to. Most traditions have to be taught, but that doesn’t mean that they’re only continued by force. My parents sent me to Saturday school where they told me to do Shabbat dinner and taught me the traditions — that doesn’t mean that I’m being forced to sit down for brisket as an adult. The suggestion was prohibiting the hij…

I do think the suggestion was pretty bad. Segregation is always bad. But traditions not continuing to adulthood sounds like a load of nonsense, especially considering the issue of head scarves or hijabs which are things women of certain upbringing are supposed to wear to adulthood. It is not comparable to santa claus and they won't disavow you for not eating brisket with family.
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