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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "all rights are temporary and can be revoked on a whim" That is the basis on which practically everything I have purchased from American companies (or their subsidiary in a tax haven) exists.

Everything?? Or do you just mean digital media?

Everything. For example, try not paying your property taxes for some time to see if it's really your "property".

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

#72
post #68

To add insult to injury, it could be the case that Erdogan's degree is fake [1] (I don't know of a single Turkish person NOT voting for him that thinks that his degree is authentic) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan_univ...

From a brief reading of the wikipedia article you linked, I'm under impression that the accusations are baseless (given that there are - supposedly - witnesses and his former classmates that confirm his version, and apparently no whistleblowers that present a proof otherwise). The sources are in Turkish so I didn't consult them[1]. Is the article biased or omits some important context? Since you believe the degree is…

Before the 2000s, depending on how overtly conservative you were and who was in govenenent (coups, counter-coups, and fits of "democracy" happened every couple years), you might not have been allowed to attend at all.

An entire generation of women from conservative backgrounds couldn't attend university in Turkiye until the 2000s because of the hijab ban.

Unsurprisingly, once conservative Turkish politicians like Erdogan took power, they came with vengeance. Didn't help that rural, working class, and certain ethnicities (Anatolian Turks, Kurds) were more conservative than others - go to Istanbul Airport sometime and count how many un-hijabed vs hijabed women work as the bathroom cleaning staff.

Of course, those same conservative politicians then do the exact same shenanigans of corruption, power politics, and authoritarianism, and so the cycle continues.

The intersectionality between class, religion, ideology, and ethnicity makes Turkish politics wonky.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if some foreign university confers an honorary degree on him?

In Turkish educational system, honorary degrees are only applicable to the institute granting the degree itself. You instead need to have an earned degree to be able to use the privileges outside the institute granting the degree.

Thanks, I wanted to look it up but don't trust machine translation on legal documents.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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post #52

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Their diplomas were not revoked for being pro-Palestine, they were revoked for seizing a building, trespassing and vandalism. That's a false equivalence to what is happening in Turkey.

Still crazy that diplomas can be revoked for non-academic problems. Diplomas should only be able to be revoked if it turns out they were gained using academic misconduct (in my opinion). If I murder someone during my diploma, get the diploma, and then get caught, will the diploma be taken away? How does that make sense?

If you murder someone on the campus of the university, then yes, they might cancel your degree.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

#75

Well, can't some university just award him a degree?

When the oldest university in Turkey can be forced to revoke a diploma, no other university would dare to do that. Also it would be a honorary degree, which probably doesn't count.

Maybe a foreign university can, but I believe he would still need to get a state institution (YÖK - Higher Education Council) to approve the foreign diploma.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

#76

This is not only revoking his diploma, but establishing a very dangerous precedent in Turkey: "all rights are temporary and can be revoked on a whim"

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I have to admit I'm offended.

Your arbitrary borders include whole eastern europe, most of the balkans, sweden, finland, estonia, latvia, around half of africa, greece, middle east, basically whole asia, indonesia, india, china, russia, and half of australia. There may be countries equally as bad in that list, but saying everyone does it with "some tiny exceptions" is egregious.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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In other, recent, non-related news, Columbia University revoked the diplomas of some pro-Palestine protestors[1]. The CBS headline buries the lede, but revoking diplomas is not too low for American universities. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-pro...

From the article it sounds like they were revoked due to causing property damage to the university. Even if you disagree with that move, it seems like a rather different situation.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

#78
post #49

Why did they annul it? I'm assuming they gave a reason, not sure if that's a reasonable assumption.

Real reason: Opposition (CHP) is the first party since the local elections and it is almost certain that Imamoglu will replace Erdogan in the next elections. CHP primaries will be held this weekend and Imamoglu was the sole candidate. Made-up reason: Imamoglu transfered to Istanbul University from a foreign university (Cyprus) in 1990. They claimed that university was not accredited by Turkish Higher Education Counci…

> I think one of them is a college professor.

I saw an argument about this latter decision which (rightfully) claimed that, if what happened is lawful, then they should also revoke the diplomas of all students of that college professor.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything?? Or do you just mean digital media?

Everything. For example, try not paying your property taxes for some time to see if it's really your "property".

Not paying your taxes is not equivalent to "revoked on a whim".

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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post #48

The Trump administration is similarly trying to purge / stifle academic institutions and bend them to their uses. For example, the Trump administration has told Columbia to dissolve specific academic departments. See this earlier discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43358925 The US and Turkish governments are operating under the same authoritarian rules of engagement, it's just that the Turks are further…

Less than a year ago multiple States attempted to remove Trump from the Presidential ballot. That’s the closer analogue to the shenanigans in Turkey, not the attempted equivalence you’re trying to make.

Refusing to accept that you lost an election and then attempting an insurrection to overthrow the candidate that you lost to isn't quite the same thing.
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