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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by roamerz »

jclardy wrote: post #125
TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? All big players are still in the play store, because the average user of those services doesn't want to be bothered going to a website, clicking scary looking buttons to enable third party installs, then manually update their own installed apps. Basically the risk would be someone like TikTok dropping out of the store, but I find that unlikely. Maybe at t…

> I'm the opposite

You already can side load apps. Just buy an Android device. I liken this to people who buy a house near an airport then lobby to get the airport closed because they do not like the noise. I bought into IOS because of the walled garden and without it some app that I would prefer to get through the sanctioned app store will now only be available by side loading.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by barkerja »

galleywest200 wrote: post #161
mort96 wrote: post #123

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What happens when the apps which used to be available on the app store get taken down and made sideload-only, like what Epic did with Fortnite on Android?

I hope Epic does this for the Bandcamp store on iOS (Epic bought Bandcamp recently). The iOS app disallows the purchasing of digital music, but if they can get around the App Store policies then I can purchase digital music from the app without needing to go to the mobile site.

I'm curious what benefit this would actually yield to you? Is it simply just the case of not having to leave the app? Because aside from that, there would (likely) be no IAP; you'd still be required to give your financial info directly to the app.

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Post by Spivak »

waboremo wrote: post #317
HeckFeck wrote: post #239

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> the free market failed to implement a meaningful competition for central app stores. I don't want every component of my phone OS broken apart and subject to what some legislator or lobbyist thinks is 'competition'. The competition is between Apple and Google making mobile platforms and we already had a choice. I chose Apple's approach after a few years with Google. I miss the headphone jack, but having no tacky tra…

>but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS Like ads for icloud services in settings? Apple TV and Music subscription promotions appearing above all other the settings links? Personalized tracking being enabled by default?

The fact these are the complaints is the best possible endorsement for iOS. That's all?

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Post by seanw444 »

Apple has successfully convinced their base that leaving their walled garden is a danger. I wonder what particular word could be used to define that.

Anyways, F-Droid is a clear example of how alternative sources of apps can be just as secure as the official one (and in F-Droid's case, more secure).

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Post by _rs »

phpisthebest wrote: post #377
cronix wrote: post #221

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Because Apple forced DJI to comply for their version, but since sideloading is available on Android as an alternative, they basically told Google to go pound sand. Edit: I misspoke in my original, which I fixed

I suspect as well the version is Android has features the iOS one does not due to limitation placed on it from the store, Issues they got around by simply removing it from the draconian store.

Is this actually true though?

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Post by Spivak »

tgv wrote: post #222
waboremo wrote: post #117

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It should at the very least help with Safari. What a dreadful existence that browser is when you can't get extensions into the store without paying the 99/yr fee, which has stopped a lot of potential ports from happening. Most ports right now are quite gnarly, you have to jump through a multi step build process just to do what other browsers can handle in a single click or drag and drop. Other methods I've seen invol…

That won't happen. People will install Chrome, and that's the end of it. Well, not the end of Google, of course, which will now have even more opportinuties to grab your data and sell your privacy.

Chrome on iOS will be the death of Safari and the final nail in web developers supporting anything other than "last two versions of Chrome."

I don't know if that'll be good or bad but it will for sure be a shift.

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Post by webmobdev »

TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

> I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching.

If Apple did just that, it would have been ok. But they didn't stop at that - they decided to do the very same thing that Google, Meta, Amazon, Microsoft etc. - after partially preventing their competitors from getting hand on some data they started to deliberately invade our privacy and collect as much of our personal data as they can to mine it. They self-appointed and forced themselves to be our conservatorship ( https://medium.com/@tonytyre9/what-is-conservatorship-legal-... ) because we have all been judged too stupid to manage it ourself. And like any abusive conservatorship they also exploit us.

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Post by webmobdev »

jamil7 wrote: post #63
Edd314159 wrote: post #56

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I agree, and the idea of a sideload-able iOS makes me very uneasy. I like the idea of Apple aligning itself with the user to protect me and, more importantly, my tech-unsavvy friends and family, from scams, data-hoarding apps, and just generally crappy software. I don't mind that they take a portion of revenue in return for providing that platform (30% feels too much, but you can't argue that it should be zero). Unfo…

> Sideloading is full of risks, and I don't love it. But it's at least a little bit of competition to push Apple towards make the App Store useful again. As someone who develops for the platform, I tend to agree, I'll probably never distribute apps with sideloading, but I think ultimately it's a good thing. I'd also be happy if it attracts more interest and developers to the platform who were previously turned off by…

> I also build for macOS, which has always allowed sideloading

Isn't it funny that something that has been completely normal for decades - the freedom to (develop and) install the software we want - now has new term because corporates have forced themselves as a middle-man to dictate what we can or cannot install? (And worse, now even have automated ways to kill or uninstall a software without our permission. Remember when the Amazon Kindle app deleted the 1984 ebook from everyone's devices (Amazon Secretly Removes "1984" From the Kindle - https://gizmodo.com/amazon-secretly-removes-1984-from-the-ki... )? That's the bleak future we are heading to ...)

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