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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by mort96 »

filchermcurr wrote: post #212
mort96 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> None of this affects you whatsoever. Just don't use a sideloaded apps. I don't see why this would bother you in any way. That's unfortunately wrong. Say you use WhatsApp to keep in touch with your friends. Say Facebook pulls WhatsApp from the app store and makes it only available via side-loading. What do you do? You have to decide between trying to move everyone you know off of WhatsApp, or you side-load.

An unattractive decision is still a decision you can make. If you believe so strongly that you shouldn't sideload applications, you absolutely have the choice to not do it. It may not be a choice that you like, but it is a choice available to you. Which I think is what's so wonderful about this whole situation. It's opening up options that were previously unavailable. Besides, this kind of Sophie's Choice has been ar…

There's a potential that someone who's currently using some app without side-loading won't have the opportunity to keep using the app without side-loading as a result of a decision to allow side-loading. That means "this decision doesn't affect you, just keep using apps without side-loading" isn't a valid statement.

You're right that everyone will technically always have the choice not to side-load. Just like everyone technically has the choice to not own a phone in the first place. It's the "it doesn't affect you whatsoever" part I take issue with.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by Rhedox »

yamtaddle wrote: post #151
josephcsible wrote: post #132

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Why is everyone so worried that Facebook, etc. will pull out of the App Store and require sideloading on iOS just because it'll be possible, when they haven't pulled out of the Play Store or required sideloading on Android where that's already been possible all along?

> when they haven't pulled out of the Play Store or required sideloading on Android where that's already been possible all along? Has Android restricted spying as much as iOS has? I seem to recall Facebook freaking out pretty hard about iOS policy changes around tracking and blaming that for some serious revenue shortfalls, a while back, and have no such recollection about Android, but maybe I just missed it.

The only thing that Android doesn't do is zero out the advertizing ID unless the user gives explicit permission.

That's an OS thing on iOS though, not a user one.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

askafriend wrote: post #176
jmull wrote: post #93

Having "side loading" -- also known as regular app installation on non-phone platforms -- hasn't caused chaos on desktop platforms or android. No reason to think it will on iOS either.

You’re giving away your age with this comment. Of course it has caused chaos on desktop platforms, especially Windows in the early 2000s, late 90s. Since that era, it’s slowly dug itself out of that hole.

Except now it's even worse.

https://purplesec.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Malware-Infe...

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by Rhedox »

Spivak wrote: post #34
overthrow wrote: post #17

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You're dreading giving other people the freedom to make one choice, and yourself the freedom to make a different choice (yours being the default option from the factory btw), and everyone gets the privacy/control tradeoff they want?

Software isn't fungible and right now today you have the ability to install facebook with app store restrictions on iOS and without on Android. If FB pulls from the app store that choice is taken away.

It's the OS that ensures privacy, security and sandboxing, not the App Store.

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Post by rabuse »

kmlx wrote: post #220
rabuse wrote: post #201

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More low-level camera access would be a nice improvement. Also, the ability to work with raw video data for trimming/editing.

that's browser standards territory. also, this: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WebCodecs_A...

Ah, sweet. Haven't looked at the Web API specs in a bit, but just remember working with video was a PITA. Thanks.

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Post by GeekyBear »

evilduck wrote: post #122
Vespasian wrote: post #21

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I understand your concern and share some of them. However the solution to overreaching unaccountable private cooperations cannot be to hand all the power to another private unaccountable company. Apple is venturing into advertising and that'll tempt them to weaken privacy protections sooner or later. Additionally their app store rules went far beyond enforcing security and privacy. They gave themselves an advantage a…

> Apple is venturing into advertising Why is this a worry right now and not 12-13 years ago when they started venturing into advertising with iAd?

Because iAd was designed to preserve user privacy?

>A new report on Advertising Age has revealed what advertisers think of Apple's arrogance when it comes to its mobile advertising platform and its tight grip on user data. This attitude towards its ad business turns off advertisers and makes them turn elsewhere, perhaps other avenues such as Google, Yahoo, or Facebook that make life a lot easier for them.

"One person familiar with the situation exec said Apple's refusal to share data makes it the best-looking girl at the party, forced to wear a bag over her head," the AdAge report read.

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/3568/20140222/apple-cares...

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Post by rickdeckard »

GeekyBear wrote: post #207
Vespasian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your concern and share some of them. However the solution to overreaching unaccountable private cooperations cannot be to hand all the power to another private unaccountable company. Apple is venturing into advertising and that'll tempt them to weaken privacy protections sooner or later. Additionally their app store rules went far beyond enforcing security and privacy. They gave themselves an advantage a…

> Apple is venturing into advertising It's not the advertising part that is problematic. It's the part where you relentlessly spy on everyone to make selling ads more profitable.

Meta is collecting data from people using its products to create targeting-models for advertisement. An Advertiser can then buy ads targeting a specific audience. Companies really want the individual user-information to cut out Meta, but Meta is not sharing it to the advertiser, they have to go through Meta to reach their audience based on Personas they curate.

Now Apple owns the underlying Hardware and tracks usage of every single application and service on top. How exactly is Apple expected to operate their advertising business if NOT with the very same method as Meta/Google (creating personas, selling them for ads)?

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Post by yamtaddle »

tgv wrote: post #217
hoffs wrote: post #182

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Citation needed

iOS users spend more than Android users, and are even becoming the majority in the US. Here's some citation: https://nix-united.com/blog/are-android-vs-ios-users-really-...

Spend more, and use their devices a lot more, both Web and Apps. At least, last time I looked at market research data like this, which was admittedly 4-5 years ago.

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Post by HeckFeck »

Vespasian wrote: post #21
TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I understand your concern and share some of them. However the solution to overreaching unaccountable private cooperations cannot be to hand all the power to another private unaccountable company. Apple is venturing into advertising and that'll tempt them to weaken privacy protections sooner or later. Additionally their app store rules went far beyond enforcing security and privacy. They gave themselves an advantage a…

> the free market failed to implement a meaningful competition for central app stores.

I don't want every component of my phone OS broken apart and subject to what some legislator or lobbyist thinks is 'competition'. The competition is between Apple and Google making mobile platforms and we already had a choice.

I chose Apple's approach after a few years with Google. I miss the headphone jack, but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS is nice.

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Post by zamadatix »

Rhedox wrote: post #234
Spivak wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software isn't fungible and right now today you have the ability to install facebook with app store restrictions on iOS and without on Android. If FB pulls from the app store that choice is taken away.

It's the OS that ensures privacy, security and sandboxing, not the App Store.

On some things but not others. E.g. OS protections don't limit against things like "Displaying targeted advertisements in your app based on user data collected from apps and websites owned by other companies." as it's not something the OS can really know is happening, just that there are ads being loaded.
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