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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by cb14 »

tptacek wrote: post #362
cb14 wrote: post #350

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I don’t think the original title was misleading. It says on the page: Who will be offered vaccination against covid-19? People aged 50 years and over will be offered vaccination. People aged under 50 who are at a higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19 will also be offered vaccination against covid-19. It doesn’t say people under 50 who have had 2 or fewer shots. The comment you responded to seems to be a…

The page explicitly and repeatedly affirms the argument made upthread, is about "re-vaccination", and cites population-wide adherence to Denmark's first round of vaccinations as the reason why re-vaccination is required only for high risk groups. You aren't meant to "read between the lines" to generate a new title on Hacker News.

Put two and two together, if they are saying the risk benefit from the shots is negative for children who aren’t at risk from the virus, then don’t you think the same would apply to adults who aren’t at risk from the virus?

The extent to which people seem to have given up independent thinking around this issue seems troubling.

Read between the lines because unfortunately it is highly unlikely to see politicians and public health authorities say this so bluntly when they were the ones just recently pushing these, on net deleterious shots. A sensitive issue and political minefield to say the least.

Why should people get the original shot if they haven’t already? It clearly doesn’t work, it clearly has potential for very negative side effects, and even if it did work it is designed for the original strain, which isn’t around anymore. Makes no sense…

I meant read between the lines for your own well being and that of others to see the writing on the wall of what is going on here, not as a principle for the HN style guide.

>cites population wide adherence

That is just face-saving.

“Re-vaccination” is offered not required. It has nothing to with previous widespread injections. That had if anything negative overall effect.

More people have died from the virus after the shots than before. The shots were supposed to stop contraction of the virus, let alone dying from it.

I know it’s sucks to think about, cognitive dissonance inducing even, especially if you were gung-ho on the injection bandwagon just a year ago, but let’s face facts.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by goto11 »

beefman wrote: post #384
goto11 wrote: post #367

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> That is not true. You just made that up didn’t you? > What is compelling you to spread misinformation? My source is https://www.sst.dk/da/corona/Vaccination point 10

Point 10 confirms that those under 18 should no longer get the first two jabs, contradicting what you wrote in the text being disputed here. You seem to acknowledge this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32853039

You are correct, vaccines are no longer offered for under-18, except for certain conditions.

Vaccines (two shots + one booster shot) is recommended for everyone over 18.

A second booster (i.e. a fourth shot) is currently only offered for over 50, except for certain conditions.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by VMG »

canoebuilder wrote: post #387
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Currently Russia and Iran are leading the excess death charts, neither of which use mRNA vaccines. Birth rate trends in Israel, German and Russia are the same as in prior years https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/birth-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ISR/israel/birth-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/birth-rate

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/dramatic-decrease-in-birth... https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/new-data-from-germany-birt... The effect we are talking about is something that necessarily only shows up within the past year, 9 months after young people started getting the shots. A line chart going back 70 years is not useful here. If you look at the data, linked above, where it is possible to see the effect I’m refe…

The "sigma event" math is very dubious

In Germany birth rates are way up for April and May

I'm sure Igor will find something else to get upset about, as hysterics typically do

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by nope96 »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #57
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #14

Another new account posting what will surely turn into a very civil thread.

It's been fascinating for the last couple of years to see how these daily armchair epidemiologist threads have transitioned from largely in support of vaccines to now largely against them. It seems there is some natural filtering at play. People looking for rational informed discussion about covid have realized it's no longer on HN, so they just don't participate anymore. Meanwhile,those who think this is all a giant…

> People looking for rational informed discussion about covid have realized it's no longer on HN, so they just don't participate anymore. Meanwhile,those who think this is all a giant conspiracy have found fellow travellers with bottomless cynicism, and those people now dominate these threads.

My reply, which got flagged for some reason:

Adversaries of the west want us to be unvaccinated and sick. Knowing what we know about "troll farms", I would not be surprised if there is an effort by some states to discredit the vaccine on English speaking forums.

I'll add more to make it more clear I wasn't talking only about anti-vaccine: These troll farms play both sides. They want discussion forums to be toxic.

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Post by kcplate »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #334
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You really need to define "significant". Also, for nearly all people affected, pericarditis and myocarditis adverse effects from vaccines were a) temporary and b) easily treatable. During the pandemic, ICUs were hammered as they desperately tried to save the lives of people with Covid. Do you genuinely believe that the vaccinations caused the same influx into intensive care? If you really think more young people were…

> You really need to define "significant"

How about Any number that is greater than the pre-pandemic average for persons that age before the vaccines

Also, if your standard is going to be “temporary” and “easily treatable” as core components of “insignificant risk” for the vaccines…that would also apply to COVID itself in most people under the age of 50.

But…I think your equation could have some value if the vaccines were effective at preventing covid infection. However, since they don’t, and they don’t appear to diminish hospitalization risk of covid for younger people (like older people), but the vaccines do have a statistical increase on more pericarditis and myocarditis, logic would dictate that there is a possible slight negative risk by younger folk getting the vaccine. Especially for males.

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Post by kcplate »

armada651 wrote: post #202
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> mandated vaccines They were mandated? That's news to me. I'm pretty sure the OSHA mandates never went into effect.

US Military has a vaccine mandate in effect. Last I looked, most branches of the service were filled with younger folks.

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Post by howinteresting »

Barrin92 wrote: post #159
howinteresting wrote: post #144

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This is just plainly untrue. Doctors disagree all the time about medical questions.

that discourse is already reflected in the consensus on who to vaccinate which is presented to you on that site as far as Denmark goes. Doctors don't just wing it, they go by those very same research results. Doctors may disagree about individual cases of disease, they don't disagree at all about who to vaccinate, they follow guidelines.

This again is untrue. Some individual doctors I've encountered are much more pro-vax than others.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

I think it's no replacing influenza, just taking a spot at the table, no? Influenza isn't going anywhere and COVID-19 still kills at something like 4x the rate of influenza even with the new more “moderate” strains. That's nothing to sneeze at. Also, there's no sign of “long influenza” like there is with Covid-19. It has ruined many people's lives, making them unable to work/live like they used to.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by dragontamer »

thunky wrote: post #97
dragontamer wrote: post #91

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BA.5 avoids the immunity you gained from Delta, Alpha, and the original. If you got COVID-19 this July-ish (when BA.5 was biggest), maybe you don't need a vaccine update. But given how much the virus has evolved, it only makes sense to update your body to the newest version that's out there. If the next big strain is from the BA.5 lineage (or closely related lines like Omicron), having your body trained on the new pr…

> this is strictly about reducing the spread of Omicron / BA.5 and related substrains From cdc.gov: Updated COVID-19 boosters add Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 spike protein components to the current vaccine composition, helping to restore protection that has waned since previous vaccination by targeting variants that are more transmissible and immune-evading.

The original vaccine still has strong protective effects vs even BA.5 though.

That's my point. The original vaccine may be "worse" than the BA.5-specific vaccine that came out last week. But its still doing its most important job (ie: keeping people out of the hospital and/or morgue).

"Not getting sick" is still useful (and BA.5 specific vaccines should be great at that). But is kind of a secondary or even tertiary concern of mine. Deaths and hospitalizations are my #1 and #2 statistics that I'm worried about with regards to this subject.

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

yosame wrote: post #307
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #136

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I got Omicron twice. The first time was pretty much what you described: a sore throat and minor fever for four days followed by a month of tiredness. Second time was far milder. I was fine after a week. It felt like a cold. It guess COVID-19 is bound to become similar to the other coronavirus which would make sense. At that point why risks injecting a whole population with a barely tested booster?

Two points: the booster wasn't barely tested, it was excessively tested. I don't think you realise how (comparitively) little testing goes into normal drug testing. Secondly, people need boosters because immunity wanes to both the vaccine and natural infections. In about a year, you will get just as sick again if you get a natural infection, so why wouldn't you get a booster that will give you mild discomfort for a d…

> Two points: the booster wasn't barely tested, it was excessively tested. I don't think you realise how (comparitively) little testing goes into normal drug testing.

I’m sorry: you can’t call a vaccine tested for six months excessively tested. None of of the Covid vaccines were properly tested.

It was fine. The urgency required it. This is not the case for the booster.

> Secondly, people need boosters because immunity wanes to both the vaccine and natural infections. In about a year, you will get just as sick again if you get a natural infection

Immunity wane but we have no data which would allow you to affirm that. We know that reinfections can reoccur quickly with milder symptoms. We don’t know how long this ability of your immune system to fight more efficiently last.

There are very little data suggesting that a booster for omicron is actually useful. There is a reason European countries don’t recommend them to healthy adults.

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