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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by njwi332 »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #362
achenet wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strongly disagree. Access to powerful firearms vastly increases how damaging shootings are. Compare the single death in a decade for Japan to the hundreds, if not thousands of deaths per year from gun violence in the US[0] [1]. Keeping guns out of circulation reduces gun deaths. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...

Japan's death rate seems higher than the US by quite a bit (14 vs 10 per 1000). I believe this is because they have far greater violent death than the US, but don't call most killings 'murder'. E.g. a person that owes money is found hanged in a Japanese park, it's suicide even when it's obvious they cannot have hanged themselves. Culture plays a large role in statistics. It's hard to interpret from outside. But surel…

Japans death rate is ~11, not 14.

But regardless, no, there is nowhere near as much violent death here in Japan. It is one of the safest countries in the world. The high death rate is due to the aging population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by lifeformed »

hunterb123 wrote: post #368
sofixa wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. > graves of Nazi elites The Allies were smart with that one, most of the big ones were cremated and their ashes were spread, that way there are no shrines.

As another user said: > Yasukuni Shrine isn't only for WW2 criminals, but also for who died on previous wars. As a Japanese, I don't think it's bad to go to the shrine unless denying historical fact or praising criminals. It's uncomfortable that foreign countries blames about that. Maybe WW2 criminals shouldn't be buried at the shrine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine

He did deny historical fact, he led the society for revising Japanese textbooks to downplay the extensive war crimes.

Plus, visiting the shrines can be a personal matter, but as a politician he knows exactly the connotations of his visits.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by usrn »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #390
usrn wrote: post #351

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School shootings are an extremely tiny minority among shootings in the US. They just get a lot of attention.

That’s true. But high school student suicide by gun is much more common.

If kids are trying to kill themselves it's not the guns that are the problem. I'd argue telling them constantly that they're horrible or incapable for being their race is probably closer to the real problem since that seems to cause a lot of other mental illnesses as well.

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Post by chii »

otherme123 wrote: post #346
irusensei wrote: post #340

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Yeap. News about people getting killed during a robbery even after passively handling out their belongings without resistance are common occurrence. Criminals still with plenty access to guns after 20 years of strict control regulations are emboldened by the fact that nobody can offer resistance.

It seems obvious that firearms deaths are a multi-cause issue. If you have a highly developed country (Finland, Iceland, Switzerland...) you can also have lots of firearms without fearing also massive killings. But if half your society is born and raised under violence (El Salvador, Venezuela, Honduras...) + easy firearms + raging black markets operating freely, it's a recipe for disaster. I wouldn't expect less deat…

> I wouldn't expect less deaths in Brazil by getting more guns in the streets and encouraging resistance

in this sort of situation, i'd rather die resisting than die placid and unable to fight.

Gun violence from criminals can't be solved via gun control.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by the_only_law »

chii wrote: post #94
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

This was even more wild because of the guns involved were somewhat complex homemade guns.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by Aeolun »

_-david-_ wrote: post #374
Aeolun wrote: post #228

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Japan has 9 cases of gun deaths, the US had 35,000. You’d almost think it has an effect.

You are including suicides in the US gun deaths which makes it a bit of weird comparison.

No? I’m including suicides for Japan as well.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by the_only_law »

dang wrote: post #227
kafkaesque wrote: post #120

A good man? Do people here read anything non-tech related? Shinzo Abe was a world-renown revisionist who tried to turn Japan back into a far-right, ultra-racist country. Look, you guys are super smart with computers, but stop this absolute nonsense. https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right

Please don't take HN threads into hellish flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. I understand the provocation in the GP comment, but reacting in full flame mode, complete with insults, is exactly what the site guidelines ask you not to do. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've started a bunch of other flamewars in this thread too. That's basically arson, rega…

What about this one?

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by mullingitover »

daenz wrote: post #385
notch656a wrote: post #382

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>Protect themselves from what? Unhinged people with guns? Seems like recursion. Protect themselves from larger people with other weapons. Protect themselves from unarmed people who want to kill them. Protect themselves from crazy guy who made home-made shotgun with home-made gunpowder and home-made projectiles. Protect themselves from cartel members who smuggle weapons channeled by foreign militaries. Protect themsel…

I've never seen anyone argue against this that wasn't essentially, "oh well, deal with it I guess." The police can't make it in time, and have no duty to protect you. Any other weapon that doesn't provide distance and lethal force is a liability. So what is the expectation for innocent victims, especially the smaller or weaker ones? Just get beaten/killed? I've never seen a real answer to this.

> So what is the expectation for innocent victims, especially the smaller or weaker ones? Just get beaten/killed? I've never seen a real answer to this.

Pepper spray is pretty great. You don't have to worry about killing someone, so you can use it with a lot less hesitation. I've been in a situation where I was in physical danger, but from someone I didn't want to kill, and pepper spray immediately ended the danger for me and allowed me to get away. A gun would not have done that because I wouldn't have used the gun.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

Legogris wrote: post #308
Legogris wrote: post #258

Update from NHK: The apprehended suspect is identified as Tetsuya Yamagami (41), a Nara resident. According to sources from the defense ministry, he was employed by the Maritime Self-Defense Forces for ~3y until 2005. Weapon seems to be homemade. No updates on Abe's status since a 13:30 update from the local fire department. He's injured in chest- and neck areas, has internal bleeding and did not show vital signs. 14…

~17:50: Ex-PM Abe officially pronounced dead.

Shinzo Abe's Death Celebrated in China: 'Open Champagne!'

https://www.newsweek.com/shinzo-abes-death-celebrated-china-...

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by sheepdestroyer »

anshumankmr wrote: post #98

This is a terrible tragedy. Shinzo Abe seemed like a good man. I hope he pulls through, though reading the comments here makes it seem less likely.

A good man?

He was a far right nationalist, japan war crime negationist and inserted revisionist propaganda in history school manuals. He was generally anti foreigners, anti equal rights. He was a member of the crazy nationalist cult Nippon Kaigai that wants a return to prewar status of the godly emperor and profess Japanese Yamato pure race superiority. Look that up.

Wikipedia :

"Shinzo Abe [0] was affiliated with the openly ultranationalist organization Nippon Kaigi (Japan Conference). He was considered a right-wing populist and ultra-conservative within the LDP, and some media and books referred to him as a far-right politician. According to Professor Dominique Tasevski, his legacy can be defined by nationalism, historical revisionism, and a deterioration in Japan-South Korea relations."

"Nippon Kaigi [1] believes that "Japan should be applauded for liberating much of East Asia from Western colonial powers; that the 1946–1948 Tokyo War Crimes tribunals were illegitimate; and that killings by Imperial Japanese troops during the 1937 Nanjing Massacre were exaggerated or fabricated". The group vigorously defends Japan's claim in its territorial dispute over the Senkaku Islands with China, and denies that Japan forced the "comfort women" during World War II. Nippon Kaigi is opposed to feminism, LGBT rights, and the 1999 Gender Equality Law."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinzo_Abe#Political_positions...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi#Objectives

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