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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

cowtools wrote: post #192
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the school shootings, at least, there is always some unhinged person behind it. Deeper mental health checks before purchasing a gun (like as is required in Germany) could be very useful. Also, rules in place that your gun is stored securely in a safe, and spot checks to verify such (again, in Germany) can help with guns making their way into other people’s hands either by being given or by being taken. A friend of…

That is a slippery slope to every state having restrictive NY-like gun laws. I don't care about legal or cultural precedent in germany or the EU. This isn't germany. The US plays a far more important role in global affairs, and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime, those measures include the right to bear arms as well as freedom of speech and freedom of rel…

The question was simply “can something be done?” Not if it could be done in the USA. Of course, we have to put up with more dead classmates because someday we might use those guns to defend ourselves from a tyrannical regime (or much more likely, a civil war amongst us, like almost happened on 1/6/21).

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by kepler1 »

franciscop wrote: post #154
kepler1 wrote: post #86

Pardon me for making an outsider's observation, but it appears to me that in Japan you have either extremely safe and no crime / complete safety and courtesy (most of the time), or 0.1% of the time some guy goes off his rocker and kills many, many people or something like this.

No they don't "kill many people", you do hear about the eventual "knife attack" but the death victims are normally 0-5. In this particular case, which is already an exception because of a handmade gun (apparently) instead of a knife, there's 1 single victim and it's still unknown whether Abe will survive. Edit: as someone living in Japan. Maybe not living here you do only hear about the once in 5-10 years attacks whe…

I was thinking about the arson attacks (Kyoto and Osaka, and others) and some mass stabbings.

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Post by rayiner »

chii wrote: post #194
cowtools wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a slippery slope to every state having restrictive NY-like gun laws. I don't care about legal or cultural precedent in germany or the EU. This isn't germany. The US plays a far more important role in global affairs, and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime, those measures include the right to bear arms as well as freedom of speech and freedom of rel…

> must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime the pen used for voting has more power than a gun to prevent the US from falling into the hands of "some regime".

The guns are for when the pen doesn’t work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War

“The situation reached a climax in 1970, when the Bangladesh Awami League, the largest East Pakistani political party, led by Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, won a landslide victory in the national elections. The party won 167 of the 169 seats allotted to East Pakistan, and thus a majority of the 313 seats in the National Assembly. This gave the Awami League the constitutional right to form a government. However, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (a former Foreign Minister), the leader of the Pakistan People's Party, refused to allow Rahman to become the Prime Minister of Pakistan.”

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by cowtools »

lifeformed wrote: post #246
cowtools wrote: post #204

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There are hundreds of millions of americans. These mass shooting events are insignifigant in the grand scheme of things. I don't think we should give away our essential freedoms just so we can live in a "safe" country like... China and India?

Surely there are more palatable examples of countries without guns than China and India.

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Post by bigDinosaur »

oynqr wrote: post #197
bigDinosaur wrote: post #161

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Not to minimise shootings, but at least you (or law enforcement) can shoot back, whereas with chemical attacks you cannot. The issue is really that you could scale chemical attacks up immensely and find some truly nasty chemical agents. I'm surprised it hasn't happened more - perhaps due to how dangerous working with extremely toxic chemicals actually is. Either way, wikipedia suggests 1k were injured in the attacks,…

Someone did the math, scaling up chemical attacks is really hard because the stuff dissipates so quickly, even if you have something like sarin.

Any link? Would be curious to read. That is, of course, good to hear.

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Post by King-Aaron »

vlovich123 wrote: post #171
mullingitover wrote: post #132

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> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. You sure about that? If we had an aggressive gun buyback program and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld. However, if you have the disposable income to be able to aff…

That’s not how gun buy back programs work. Hint they don’t and never have. It’s the same as what happened to that town that tried to solve their rat problem by paying people to bring rat heads. Some enterprising townsfolk started breeding rats.

You're deeply wrong about that. Gun buybacks have worked and do work everywhere that they've been conducted.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by Legogris »

Update from NHK:

The apprehended suspect is identified as Tetsuya Yamagami (41), a Nara resident. According to sources from the defense ministry, he was employed by the Maritime Self-Defense Forces for ~3y until 2005. Weapon seems to be homemade.

No updates on Abe's status since a 13:30 update from the local fire department. He's injured in chest- and neck areas, has internal bleeding and did not show vital signs.

14:40: PM Kishida arrived at the PM residence by helicopter ~10minutes ago and is currently in discussions. A press conference is expected soon.

14:46: Police: Suspect Yamagami says he was frustrated with what ex-PM Abe was doing and approached him with the intent of killing him.

14:49: Live announcement from (a doubly understandably very sweaty and intermittently sobbing but surprisingly composed) PM Kishida: Abe is in critical condition. Hopes and prayers. Elections are ongoing. Unforgivable act. Doctors are working hard to save Abe. Not appropriate to address the political situation at this moment and I am not comfortable to do so. Cabinet members convening in Tokyo and work to be ready for any outcome. I do not have full information to be able to make any further detailed comments.

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Post by pupppet »

cowtools wrote: post #192
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the school shootings, at least, there is always some unhinged person behind it. Deeper mental health checks before purchasing a gun (like as is required in Germany) could be very useful. Also, rules in place that your gun is stored securely in a safe, and spot checks to verify such (again, in Germany) can help with guns making their way into other people’s hands either by being given or by being taken. A friend of…

That is a slippery slope to every state having restrictive NY-like gun laws. I don't care about legal or cultural precedent in germany or the EU. This isn't germany. The US plays a far more important role in global affairs, and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime, those measures include the right to bear arms as well as freedom of speech and freedom of rel…

It explains so much that many Americans are still dreaming of a Red Dawn scenario.

Sorry pal, it'll be a bright flash and then no more. Your guns aren't going to do shit.

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Post by cowtools »

kadoban wrote: post #244
cowtools wrote: post #222

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We could start with "if someone keeps telling people they're going to shoot a bunch of people, they can't buy a gun" and go from there. Requiring training, background checks (no loopholes), an interview and a license would also be a good idea, though it requires a bit of care in implementation. There's a few things that are pretty close to harmless to moral gun owners but would reduce the incidence and severity of gu…

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