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Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

betwixthewires wrote: post #387
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #194

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When my daughter(s) returned home late at night (or perhaps better described as early in the morning) in Berlin, they didn't need guns, and the taxes helped pay for a transportation system that meant they didn't need to drive either.

Well the difference between your daughters and my daughters is that they're reliant on a giant system and the good will of others and mine are reliant on themselves. When they walk home late at night they don't need to worry either, because they have guns.

the giant system is more powerful and has been around much longer than the guns. and when you say "they're reliant", you make it sound as if somehow the citizens of berlin get offered the chance make a daily choice to be nice, when in reality, it's baked in at a much deeper level. there are hardly any crazy people in berlin (in the sense of wanting or needing to assault people). your daughters live in the middle of a giant system too, but instead of one that puts a priority on the kinds of things that berlin does, its a giant system that "requires" them to have guns. not only that, but they still have to worry: you don't get to pull out a gun in a dangerous situation without adding to the potential danger.

btw, i live in new mexico now, and my daughters are both grown women who live in chicago and philadelphia, and still do not carry guns.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by twofornone »

omegaworks wrote: post #374
twofornone wrote: post #370

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I don't think you can make a good faith claim that straight white boys are being "protected by every institution we have" in the age of diversity quotas, gifted program elimination, affirmative action in college applications...etc You can pretend that all of this is justified because of so called privilege, but ultimately you are also discriminating against white boys who are potentially underprivileged for a multitu…

Again, you can't seem to point me at anyone telling white schoolboys they are oppressors. Public schooling, one of the few institutions that actually values and reaches Appalachian folks[1], has been under attack by exactly the forces behind the latest "critical race theory" boogeyman. If you actually gave a damn about folks in poverty you wouldn't be shilling for the latest fad attack on schools, the list of which y…

What do you want, a source that literally uses the term "oppression"?

Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression?

Is the point of privilege not to imply that those who have it must forgo equal treatment in order to correct for historical oppression?

And if white boys fail to do enough to combat this white supremacist, oppressive system, is the implication not that they are furthering this supposed oppression?

>the latest "critical race theory" boogeyman.

First, I don't know how else to repeat this, the fact that young white boys are being singled out for their race and shamed into atoning for their privilege is emphatically not a boogeyman. It's happening. Second, being opposed to racist doctrine being taught in schools to children is not equivalent to attacking public schooling in general. Maybe public schools are under attack because CRT inspired doctrine is offensive to parents of white males, when it does not even allow debate over the premise that all social inequities stem from white male racism, aka oppression. This is not the way to end racism, it will only breed reactionary white supremacy.

Again, if you are accusing white boys of inheriting privilege from an oppressive white supremacist system then you are obviously implying that if they do not actively work against this system, they are acting as oppressors. Your argument is disingenuous.

But at least we've seemingly moved past the lie that "CRT isn't being taught in schools".

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

rsj_hn wrote: post #375
omegaworks wrote: post #366

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The whole charade falls apart when you actually read what is being passed off as controversial "Critical Race Theory." The CT Mirror article mentions schools are doing utterly banal things like actually discussing Reconstruction and including more diverse authors in their reading lists. As for the Moms For Liberty, just look at the books they're trying to ban: "'Martin Luther King Jr. and the March on Washington' and…

So you discount the testimony of teachers because youtube has an algorithm, and you discount the oppression narrative quotes because you label the source as "astroturf" and you discount the actual school materials leaked by whistleblowers because -- oh that one was ignored. Look, I get the strategy of smearing whoever provides information as a way of ignoring the provided data. I just don't understand why you think t…

The only strategy that was engaged in there was (a) the time honored HN tradition of noting that the plural of anecdote is not data and (b) noting that there's nearly always more context to any leaked document or covertly recorded video, and the context frequently doesn't line up with what the party pushing the material is trying to say.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by a9h74j »

ajmurmann wrote: post #307
a9h74j wrote: post #267

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Coincidently, I just listened to this. (Perhaps we saw the same recommendation on HN.) 100% recommend, and the whole podcast approach at econtalk.org is very interesting. Economics plus life-of-the-mind.

Hah, I posted this a about a week ago as well. I'm most delighted about anyone listening to this. It very much changed how I view the problem of homelessness in the US. Also the angle of this being caused by essentially messing with the market is fascinating to me.

Great. In the meantime I have also heard the following which addresses US homelessness in a somewhat internationally-informed way: Joe Rogan episode #1719 with M. Shellenberger. He does not use the term, but Shellenberger suggests that merely supplying housing, without adjusting other incentives and requirements, could almost be called a consumerist approach: pay the money for a private room for someone and it will magically work.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by twofornone »

PKop wrote: post #373
ryandrake wrote: post #293

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It's not that he's an "average citizen" that's objectionable, it's that, based on quotes posted in other sub-threads and the campaign video that someone posted, he ran on an anti-mask, anti-lockdown, COVID-downplaying platform and won. The question is how did NJ get into this predicament where people with these views are winning elections? I can see this happening in Mississippi or something, but New Jersey?

Because masks and lockdowns go against their interests, and they oppose people like you mandating these policies on them. It's just that simple. And the numbers of these people is much much larger than you're aware of, likely for reasons of media bias hiding this information from you and geographic diversity of political views and values.

>And the numbers of these people is much much larger than you're aware of, likely for reasons of media bias hiding this information from you and geographic diversity of political views and values.

And the chilling effect of socially shaming people as "plague rats" for resisting lockdowns and mandates.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by betwixthewires »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #391
betwixthewires wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the difference between your daughters and my daughters is that they're reliant on a giant system and the good will of others and mine are reliant on themselves. When they walk home late at night they don't need to worry either, because they have guns.

the giant system is more powerful and has been around much longer than the guns. and when you say "they're reliant", you make it sound as if somehow the citizens of berlin get offered the chance make a daily choice to be nice, when in reality, it's baked in at a much deeper level. there are hardly any crazy people in berlin (in the sense of wanting or needing to assault people). your daughters live in the middle of a…

It doesn't require them to have guns. There are wild animals outside too, maybe we can make a system where that doesn't exist.

Berlin sounds real nice. You never need to think about protecting yourself when things are going great. It may feel baked in at a deeper level, but don't forget, Berlin has at one time relatively recently been a very terrible place to live, especially for those that didn't have guns.

The entire idea of having a gun is to make a dangerous situation more dangerous, it creates symmetry, an aggressor is now equal to his or her victim.

New mexico is pretty nice too. Did you know that anyone who wants to can openly carry any gun they want in new mexico?

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Post by skinnymuch »

busymom0 wrote: post #379
qqqwerty wrote: post #285

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I mean for 5 years the elections were rigged by Russia, anti-kavanaugh protestors stormed the capitol and senate chambers just 2 years before, rioters burnt down churches and built CHAZ in the middle of multiple cities, bailed out by the current VP - all completely encouraged by one side.

Storming the capitol and senate chambers seems excessive.

“USA TODAY could find no reference to those protesters damaging the Supreme Court or Capitol, which was open to the public in 2018. During the Jan. 6 riot, though, the Capitol and its visitors center were closed to the public”

How do you storm something that is open? Also storming implies doing some sort of damage. Storming is a violent attack.

It seems most or all of the stuff you wrote are selective out of context exaggerations. The storming example isn’t even technically correct.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

twofornone wrote: post #392
omegaworks wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, you can't seem to point me at anyone telling white schoolboys they are oppressors. Public schooling, one of the few institutions that actually values and reaches Appalachian folks[1], has been under attack by exactly the forces behind the latest "critical race theory" boogeyman. If you actually gave a damn about folks in poverty you wouldn't be shilling for the latest fad attack on schools, the list of which y…

What do you want, a source that literally uses the term "oppression"? Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression? Is the point of privilege not to imply that those who have it must forgo equal treatment in order to correct for historical oppression? And if white boys fail to do enough to combat this white supremacist, oppressive system, is the implication not th…

> Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression?

No, it does not.

> Maybe public schools are under attack because CRT inspired doctrine is offensive to parents of white males

Public schools have been under attack by conservatives since they were first created.

> Again, if you are accusing white boys of inheriting privilege from an oppressive white supremacist system then you are obviously implying that if they do not actively work against this system, they are acting as oppressors.

No, they are participating in an oppressive system. If they were not aware of its oppressive nature, it would be hard to fault them. The purpose of efforts to introduce a more honest educational overview of our country's history with racism (which, btw, is not CRT) is primarily so that more of our citizens will understand clearly how things have been and to some extent are. Given such an understanding, it would not be quite so easy to simply brush off "mindless participation", but it also doesn't necessarily dictate what should follow instead.

Kendi's maxim that if you're not an anti-racist then you're a racist is an unfortunate distilling of a really quite deep and profound point that his book(s) make much more subtly and convincingly than this oft-quoted glib phrase.

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