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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by flemhans »

laurent92 wrote: post #349
santiagobasulto wrote: post #251

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Some time ago i listened to a respected Argentina scientist (that lives and works in France) saying something: “we can’t confirm nor deny anything about COVID, given the poor quality of scientific procedure we follow in testing” He was complaining of lack of scientific rigorousity with testing (at least in France) and he compared it to the “behind the scenes” of a restaurant’s kitchen. For example, he was saying that…

Elon Musk got himself tested 4 times the same day in 2020. 2 positive 2 negative.

I was

Day 0: Antigen positive Day 1: PCR positive Day 8: Antigen positive Day 9: Antigen negative Day 10: Antigen positive Day 10: PCR negative Day 11: Antigen negative Then 10+ negatives after

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by thebruce87m »

toolz wrote: post #151
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #141

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> unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal I keep hearing this argument, but it's unconvincing. Here in Alberta we've seen positive cases and hospitalizations and deaths move in relation to each-other. If the false positive was so high we wouldn't be able to make out that pattern from the noise, but it's incredibly obvious. Also, in the early days we saw case rates much lower than the false p…

covid deaths are labeled based on positive test results (and clinical diagnosis) so they will always move together regardless of specificity or sensitivity here's a study showing above CT 32 not a single live virus was able to be cultured [1] [1] https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid... (image from the study) https://i.imgur.com/AaZZIXM.png

We also have excess deaths to measure covid deaths against: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

Some are graphed here: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

You can see that some countries that did lock down, e.g. Norway didn’t have significant excess mortality so this can dispel any myths about lockdowns themselves causing excess mortality. I’m sure some people will argue that the excess deaths in their country were caused by the lockdown, but in my experience it’s not worth your time arguing back at this stage.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by thebruce87m »

toolz wrote: post #208
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #199

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As far as I'm aware there is zero financial incentive here in Canada, and that argument sounds a lot like they are knowingly faking the cases, which is a much different argument than the diagnostic doesn't work and implies malice. Just to remove doubt, the ICU has been record setting[1]. As an aside, that article even discusses your claim about bad PCR tests. And are you saying that people have delayed their care to…

I'm really not sure where the disconnect is, because all of that seems highly reasonable to me. Yes, I'm saying people avoided preventative care because they were scared to go near hospitals - this is not a controversial topic, it's clear that is true. I'm not sure about your point with respiratory infections but covid goes on the death certificate with a recent positive test even if you died in a car accident. No, I…

QUESTION:

Are people who have died in car accidents counted as COVID-19 deaths?

ANSWER:

No. There is a two-level system in place to make sure death counts are accurate.

www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/verify/covid-deaths-car-crash-comorbidities-coronavirus-death-total-counts-john-hopkins-study/65-e3842ed2-f753-4a15-8b97-c2ae75c2b2ce

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by gls2ro »

nednar wrote: post #159
gurleen_s wrote: post #70

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I don’t know anything about how effective that might be, but I imagine the logistics of transporting a live, deadly virus would be a nightmare.

In many locations you have hospitals close by with covid stations. So you could bring the people to the virus.

Wouldnt this just create the environment for a more resistant virus in a shorter period of time?

I did not calculated the chances yet but here is what my probability intuition is saying

Having 50% of population go through virus in one year creates a less fit environment for a more resistant mutation than having 50% of population being exposed to virus in 2-3 months.

Like more encounters over a shorter period of time is a good environment to allow survival of resistant mutations.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by nickysielicki »

thebruce87m wrote: post #390
nickysielicki wrote: post #333

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> Confirmed by PCR What was the cycle threshold? The problem with this whole manufactured pandemic is that all the numbers and tests are bullshit because people are doing bad science. The massive relief bills introduced financial incentives to do bad science. It’s institutional failure at a massive scale.

How do you account for huge jumps in excess mortality across multiple countries? What about the antibody tests? Lateral flow tests? Genetic sequencing? 10% - 20% of positive tests in the UK are sequenced - wouldn’t you raise concerns if all the samples you were sequencing were false positives? Is it all a conspiracy? Without a single whistleblower? To what end?

Yes, it's all a conspiracy. The whistleblowers will come. Hopefully before the aliens reveal themselves due to the UFO disclosures. /s

What a strawman. Nobody is saying that COVID doesn't exist. Nobody is saying that people haven't died from COVID. Nobody is saying that excess mortality cannot be attributed to COVID. Are you making a good faith effort to understand what I'm saying? Have you done the google search I referenced above?

The presence of the virus (colonization) is much different than being infected by the virus. There's such a thing as viral load.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by nickysielicki »

thebruce87m wrote: post #390
nickysielicki wrote: post #333

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> Confirmed by PCR What was the cycle threshold? The problem with this whole manufactured pandemic is that all the numbers and tests are bullshit because people are doing bad science. The massive relief bills introduced financial incentives to do bad science. It’s institutional failure at a massive scale.

How do you account for huge jumps in excess mortality across multiple countries? What about the antibody tests? Lateral flow tests? Genetic sequencing? 10% - 20% of positive tests in the UK are sequenced - wouldn’t you raise concerns if all the samples you were sequencing were false positives? Is it all a conspiracy? Without a single whistleblower? To what end?

I should also add this, from here [1]:

> Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value ≤28.

The sequencing you're referring to does not happen on the samples that I'm suggesting are false positives -- at least, it doesn't happen in the US. The CDC does not want those samples.

[1]: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/downloads/Information-...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by cma »

seren wrote: post #86

From my understanding if you had an mRNA vaccine, your body was only exposed to an artificial spike protein, so effectively you have spike specific antibodies. On the other hand, if you had a real infection by the virus, you likely have antibodies for the spike protein and other part of the virus like the shell. So from my layman understanding, the immunity should be more resistant to a mutation of the spike protein.…

Doesn't the virus bud off of the host cell's lipid membrane and not have a protein / capsid membrane for the immune system to be able to fingerprint? The spikes are the only thing visible to the immune system is my understanding, at least of viable virus.

Other innate immune processes destroy any extracellular RNA if the virus is ruptured etc.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by barrkel »

swader999 wrote: post #318
barrkel wrote: post #267

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By that, I presume you mean sit back and do nothing, and let 'immunity' arise from infections. That doesn't work with Covid because the mortality rate is too high and the infection rate leads to healthcare being overwhelmed. If there was evidence that the mortality rate was low (but we have evidence of the opposite) or that the infection rate didn't spike upwards and start clogging up the beds that hospitals have whi…

It will work fine for younger populations though.

Young populations are not hermetically sealed away from older populations.

And even then, some of the young deaths have been horrific - e.g. the blood-drenched walls from the 13 year old who died, see https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13519684/shock-photos-blood-bo...

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Post by thebruce87m »

nickysielicki wrote: post #395
thebruce87m wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you account for huge jumps in excess mortality across multiple countries? What about the antibody tests? Lateral flow tests? Genetic sequencing? 10% - 20% of positive tests in the UK are sequenced - wouldn’t you raise concerns if all the samples you were sequencing were false positives? Is it all a conspiracy? Without a single whistleblower? To what end?

Yes, it's all a conspiracy. The whistleblowers will come. Hopefully before the aliens reveal themselves due to the UFO disclosures. /s What a strawman. Nobody is saying that COVID doesn't exist. Nobody is saying that people haven't died from COVID. Nobody is saying that excess mortality cannot be attributed to COVID. Are you making a good faith effort to understand what I'm saying? Have you done the google search I r…

The phrase “manufactured pandemic” fits with all the conspiracy talk I have seen. Help me understand how I can interpret this differently.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by procombo »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #387
procombo wrote: post #338

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> Almost impossible not to give it to others. Your facts are old, very old. Transmissibility has been linked to the nasopharyngeal viral load during onset symptoms. [ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33296437/ ] The virus may not be as present in your nasal discharge, or breath. We've also known from the start transmissibility is also definitely not linked to the severity of symptoms. When you read from articles from…

I hope you are recovering well. Honestly not sure what your point is. Are you saying that for someone who is infected that the probability of not giving it to others around you is not very high? The gist of what I'm saying is that even if you think that your chances of dying, or even inconvenience, from the virus is extremely low, your ability to control its spread to others is also pretty low. Meaning that you can b…

Initially my point was to correct misinformation. I added my own history as an anecdote.

There's a lot to say about Covid-19. We've learned a lot about it since the start. But objectively, its transmissibility is not what was feared. So the scare tactics about that -today- is wrong.

Covid-19 can be deadly. All people and politicians should have taken it seriously. I don't fault people for being enthusiastic in their political corner, and in the U.S. there were a lot of lines crossed by both sides.

My personal reaction was to be overly cautious. I got it anyway when I started being less strict. And it was nearly as bad as I feared. But I also think governments were wrong to force shutdowns, prevent assembly, etc. It was a misuse, and a spectacle.

High risk people have the option to do what they need to, or to be surrounded by people who advocates for them. (And that right there, I bet, is where you and I will fundamentally disagree). And I respect your disagreement.

Without safe vaccines we'd be having a different conversation. But now is the time to find more answers, spread truth, and be good to one another.

I actually find it a little fascinating that your comment, the first two replies (and mine) all differ tremendously in what we deem important takeaways.

As my doctor puts it "It is definitely a strange bug".

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