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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by camgunz »

peteradio wrote: post #97
camgunz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't work because non-vaccinated people will breed variants, which the original vaccine won't work on.

Sounds like boosters are needed regardless. High risk people get boosters, problem solved.

Sure but in the interim, high risk people die. Your argument is essentially "I would rather not get a vaccine, even in the face of some high risk people dying". My argument is "I would rather everyone (within reason) get a vaccine, even in the face of some people not liking it".

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by camgunz »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #142
camgunz wrote: post #80

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This doesn't work because non-vaccinated people will breed variants, which the original vaccine won't work on.

That is clearly not logically consistent. I also know that the following will be very bothersome to hear for many people and I hope to . Nothing would indicate that unvaccinated would lead to mutations, especially over vaccinated whose vaccination does not actually perform as well as natural immunity developed from the body naturally building immunity. What is actually bing discussed in the non-corporate medical comm…

> Nothing would indicate that unvaccinated would lead to mutations

It's actually how viruses work [1].

[1]: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-does-it-mean-that-th...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by nickthemagicman »

epistasis wrote: post #133
nickthemagicman wrote: post #71

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The vaccine elicits homegrown anti-bodies. It's the same anti-bodies.

I don't doubt that at all but would love to see the evidence! I'm wondering how they show that, maybe DNA sequencing of T-cell receptor sequence? Or is it only through reactivity if specific proteins? Off to search about T-cell repertoire data...

A good start is researching how vaccines work.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by camgunz »

JPKab wrote: post #68
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

I'm in a pretty weird position right now myself. I caught it in mid-February with mild symptoms basically just loss of smell. I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine. Unfortunately, I have several co-workers who refuse to attend a picnic if I'm there. All of them are vaccinated which indicates to me that there is no logic and simply a demand that I adhe…

Why don't you just get it?

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by nickthemagicman »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #134
nickthemagicman wrote: post #112

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People talked about 'saving granny' to get you to comply with Covid restrictions but now there's literally granny's dying in India and we're giving the vaccine to perfectly healthy people in America and no one gives it a second thought! Meanwhile, under 55 age group has a fatality chance of Covid that is less than dying in a car accident and will develop immunity after natural infection. And the under 55 age group ma…

What about the fact that a VERY small sacrifice on your part of getting a vaccine plays a VERY small part in preventing an older or compromised person from getting VERY sick? > we're giving the vaccine to perfectly healthy people in America and no one gives it a second thought! You always give vaccines to healthy people. >> And no one will care at all about your vaccine. I'm quite confident you'll get a vaccine when…

>> You always give vaccines to healthy people.

Directly from your previous sentence: "preventing an older or compromised person from getting VERY sick" (disengenuous of you)

>>I'm quite confident you'll get a vaccine....

Don't be. This will all but forgotten in a few months. :)

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Post by TMWNN »

myth_drannon wrote: post #10

What happened in Manaus/Brazil(high re-infection rate even after the city reached herd immunity) shows that's not that simple and they clearly state it "though viral variants could dampen some of the protection they offer"

As of today, there are only 84 confirmed cases of reinfection worldwide, with three deaths. https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-t...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by TMWNN »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #21

I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

>I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

As of today, there are only 84 confirmed cases of reinfection worldwide, with three deaths. https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-t...

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by toolz »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #199
toolz wrote: post #197

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Well I don't really feel I have to explain anything? The diligent work put into CT by researchers shows high CT positives are very likely false positives. But I can offer up some explanations regardless, just for the sake of conversation. Any respiratory infection that gets hospitalized with high CT covid tests is capable of being a misdiagnosed CV19 infection. I'm unsure about CA, but in the US there are huge financ…

As far as I'm aware there is zero financial incentive here in Canada, and that argument sounds a lot like they are knowingly faking the cases, which is a much different argument than the diagnostic doesn't work and implies malice. Just to remove doubt, the ICU has been record setting[1]. As an aside, that article even discusses your claim about bad PCR tests. And are you saying that people have delayed their care to…

I'm really not sure where the disconnect is, because all of that seems highly reasonable to me.

Yes, I'm saying people avoided preventative care because they were scared to go near hospitals - this is not a controversial topic, it's clear that is true.

I'm not sure about your point with respiratory infections but covid goes on the death certificate with a recent positive test even if you died in a car accident.

No, I've never suggested "coincidence" with case counts and hospitalizations. It seems quite intuitive to me that false positives are happening at a similar rate as usual and more hospitalizations just means more false positives in the hospital. You get false positives with high CT - there have been multiple studies confirming this fact at this point, it's not a controversial statement as far as I'm aware.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by mlyle »

toolz wrote: post #128
mlyle wrote: post #69

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"lost our minds collectively" -- no, made a sane tradeoff in the sensitivity vs. specificity ratio when the disease is common. It's not like the sensitivity is wonderful even with a large number of PCR cycles, and the false positive rate was not too bad. As the disease becomes less common, it makes sense to turn down the sensitivity of the test. Base rate fallacy, yada yada.

here's a study showing above CT 32 not a single live virus was able to be cultured [1] - if this study accurately portrays reality then there's nothing resembling sanity with PCR CTs >40 https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid... (image from the study) https://i.imgur.com/AaZZIXM.png

People who are infected will not necessarily have a single live virus in a swab you collect. Yes, if you can't culture it, they probably are not infectious right now but that is a different distinction.

You're also putting a whole lot of weight on a study with what, about 50 total positives? And of them, very few with a Ct of over 35.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by bryanlarsen »

jtdev wrote: post #193
bryanlarsen wrote: post #103

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You must have read a different article than I did. It just talked about the production of antibodies. They help fight off infection but don't necessarily make you immune. The article also specifically mentions vulnerability to variants.

> “They help fight off infection…” Yeah, that’s what the immune system does.

Providing partial immunity, not necessarily full immunity.
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