It also keeps a passenger of size from spilling over into another person's seat. I think this is an improvement. And even if the passenger of size can't use the flaps, the passenger next to him can use them as a barricade.
New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
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#392I've tried leaning my head against the window frame, but was worried that the vibration would scramble my brains while I slept. All the seats need is wings for the headrest so I don't wake up as my head falls the instant I go to sleep.
A lot of seats do have headrest wings. Sometimes they're on hinges, and it may not be obvious that they're there.
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#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not really sure how to answer that. I guess it amounts to peer pressure. If you're up against a group that has already decided that these kinds of devices aren't a problem, it's hard to articulate an argument against subjecting yourself to it that they find convincing.
And doesn't this perfectly demonstrate the issue with the "just don't buy one" argument? It's still _possible_ to make choices about your privacy (ex. don't get a smart phone, don't buy a smart speaker, etc.) but it requires progressively more conviction as acceptance of this kind of tech becomes mainstream.
That's true. I guess I live in a bubble with people who are aware of the surveillance aspects and so choose not to use smart devices.
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#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure if these are just uneducated posts or astro-turfing...
Astro-turfing for what? I guess this falls into the "uneducated" category. From my apparently uneducated perspective, phones need to be a concern if you're worried about your voice and activities being recorded. Most users have no idea that, for example, Google Assistant is always listening on Pixel.
Completely deactivate it
If you choose to disable Google Assistant completely, follow these steps:
Open the Google app and select Menu (the three bars)
go to Settings
Google Assistant section click Settings > Phone and disable the Assistant option
Switch off Google Assistant (for entire custom domain) Click Search and Assistant. Tip: Scroll to see all services. ... Control who uses Search and Assistant in your organization
At the left, select the organizational unit.
Select On or Off.
To keep the service turned on or off even when the service is turned on or off for the parent organizational unit, click Override.Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#395Wow, I can’t believe how dismissive most of the comments here are. The idea of adding folding wings to existing seat dimensions could be a huge, huge improvement for sleeping on flights. No, it’s not changing or solving anything else. Yes the model is tiny. No this isn’t solving existing recline issues if you’re 6’5”. If you have incredibly broad shoulders then you might not be able to use the wings but you can still…
Let's say this adds 10 pounds to each seat times 150-400 seats. No way the airlines would go for it they are trying to cut weight from the planes to scrape every ounce of fuel economy out of the airframe. It is a non-starter.
Airlines also have zero incentive to increase passenger comfort because most airlines operate near capacity (all flights full/overbooked) on most routes because of deregulation. You have no alternative, so why would they spend money?
The best time to fly was immediately after 9/11. Airlines were failing because people stopped flying. Half of every flight was empty, and the airlines were fighting for your business adding technology, entertainment, and cutting fares. The airlines cared about you when they had to fight for your business. Within 10 years they were profitable again, at capacity again, and massively started to cut services (food, baggage, etc.)
In no way am I advocating another 9/11 just to be clear. I am only reflecting on my own experiences flying.
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#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you prove that you've disabled it? That it's not listening all the time and logging interesting sounds? I don't see a huge difference between a speaker that's designed to have an always-on mic listening for a code-word and we're just going to trust that it doesn't log anything unless it hears that codeword, and a phone that's designed to have the same, but has a software option to turn it off. Either way, we're t…
No, I can't prove that it's disabled, but that doesn't matter much. There are people out there who probably could and would be more than happy to publish their results if they did. More importantly, the difference is in intent. I don't intend to carry around a device that's always listening to me. Anyone with an Alexa device is intentionally inviting Amazon to listen to every word spoken in (part of) their home.
Right but you just mentioned siri, which is included on every iphone. People do carry that around and don't expect it to be listening.
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#397Wow, I can’t believe how dismissive most of the comments here are. The idea of adding folding wings to existing seat dimensions could be a huge, huge improvement for sleeping on flights. No, it’s not changing or solving anything else. Yes the model is tiny. No this isn’t solving existing recline issues if you’re 6’5”. If you have incredibly broad shoulders then you might not be able to use the wings but you can still…
Thank you! From a person who falls asleep and hits his head at airplane's wall every time I sit near the window. This thing would definitely help.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#398Wow, I can’t believe how dismissive most of the comments here are. The idea of adding folding wings to existing seat dimensions could be a huge, huge improvement for sleeping on flights. No, it’s not changing or solving anything else. Yes the model is tiny. No this isn’t solving existing recline issues if you’re 6’5”. If you have incredibly broad shoulders then you might not be able to use the wings but you can still…
Let's say this adds 10 pounds to each seat times 150-400 seats. No way the airlines would go for it they are trying to cut weight from the planes to scrape every ounce of fuel economy out of the airframe. It is a non-starter. Airlines also have zero incentive to increase passenger comfort because most airlines operate near capacity (all flights full/overbooked) on most routes because of deregulation. You have no alte…
2009 was pretty good too. During the next major recession/depression the cut back on both business and vacation travelers will be significant. Which, I think is ok to advocate for given we are now in the longest expansion in US history.
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#399They need to get rid of the recline or have laws governing a sane distance between seatback and the next seats worst case distance. As someone that is 6'5" I literally have my knees fixed to the seatback in front of me and feet off the ground in most airlines economy seats -- the person in front of me choosing to go back even an inch means my kneecaps are bruised.
I've found most people don't enjoy being knee'd in the back constantly every time I move. I tend to more more frequently when uncomfortable due to my no leg space becoming negative leg space.
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#400I think the seat is meant to be a Premium Economy seat, not regular coach.