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>Uh huh, care to share your findings with historians about that? I'm pretty sure historians are already aware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor In terms of numbers, Stalin's genocide was almost twice as large as the holocaust.
Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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This is the problem with conspiracy theories... Avoidable accidents and conspiracy theories have the same fact pattern, which is an overlap of failure modes that should have been preventable but weren't prevented. Was the Titanic disaster a tragic accident borne of negligence... or a conspiracy to assassinate John Jacob Astor and make it look like an accident? A lot had to go wrong to make an unsinkable ship sink. Wh…
Not to mention, Epstein had pretty good reason to kill himself outside of anyone who might benefit from it. He was probably facing life in prison for despicable crimes. There's no coming back from that.
He had “come back from” one conviction before. And with what he knew he could probably have cut a deal, even gone into witness protection. The suicide theory just doesn’t hold water.
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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An interesting comment that I've seen repeated and voted to the top of any post on reddit regarding the Gates-Epstein association is something along the lines of 'Gates is too aloof and nerdy to be interested in the wares that Epstein was peddling.' I've seen it many times and it has always struck me as the kind of spin that PR firm would write and disseminate.
As someone who's been following the Epstein case for some time and having seen different communities deal with it, I think in the case of Gates a lot of people really looked up to him and refuse to believe that he would do this. There are even comments in this thread about it not being Gates' style. When you look at the whole Epstein story, the people and the patterns, it's pretty clear that Gates was in a very quest…
I mean, your heroes sometimes turn out to be all that and so many more, horrible things. It's hard to fathom that people can contain good and bad qualities, and after the fact push them aside among "bad people". But if you do this, you won't learn anything, or be watchful of your remaining heroes.
Next time you idolize someone, remember that. They may be more things and those things may not all be pretty.
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/health/prison-suicides-massac... General prison suicide rate is 20/100,000, which is almost identical to the male general population rate in the US (21.1) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r... ) I didn't quickly get data on attempt/completion in prison, but the attempt/completion rate is the general pop is ~30 attempts/completion, and the completion rate is d…
Again you are comparing apples with oranges. Outside of prison, nothing prevents you from attempting suicide. Whether you succeed or not depends mostly on your resolve and how you do it. In a perfect prison, suicide attempt should be 0%, not because people are happy, but because inmates should have no way to even attempt a suicide. If at some point a mistake is made and an inmate manages to kill himself, it will be a…
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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From the article: > Dr. Michael Baden, one of the world’s leading forensic pathologists, viewed Jeffrey Epstein’s body and was present at the autopsy, which was held the day after Epstein was found dead at the notorious Metropolitan Correctional Center in downtown Manhattan. It looks like he was at least present at the autopsy
You're right, I was incorrect there - I was confused because he wasn't on the medical team for the autopsy. Looks like he was there as an observer, being paid by Epstein's family - which also introduces a fairly significant conflict of interest.
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
#396Epstein’s death seems the most overt taunt about ruling class impunity in my lifetime. Not only in its circumstances, but in the kind of shifting, threadbare cover stories about everyone with whom he was associated. Bill Gates, for example, had staff overlap between his foundation and Epstein, (including one who was named in Epstein’s will!) and was able to diminish these connections in major media outlets with almos…
Usually very rich people have a strong incentive to hire private firms specialized in minimizing the impact of bad stuff like this, and doing so in a very discreet way. I am 100% speculating, but I'd guess that's what Jeff Bezos did in relation to his extra-marital affair, and what Bill Gates and others have been doing in relation to Epstein.
Bezos put all cards on table to avoid being blackmailed.
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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Yes, both cameras that watched the cell and hallway outside it had "technical difficulties" and there was no recoverable footage around the time of Epstein's death.
The camera showing the hallway outside his cell was working, and showed no one leaving or entering during the time period of his death.
The relevant text:
At least one camera in the hallway outside the cell where authorities say registered sex offender Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself earlier this month had footage that is unusable, although other, clearer footage was captured in the area, according to three people briefed on the evidence gathered earlier this month
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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The camera showing the hallway outside his cell was working, and showed no one leaving or entering during the time period of his death.
The problem is that many jails are designed with lots of corridors and halls basically identical. I assume that recording that nothing happened could be as easy as put a number over a different door, (or pick the equivalent door in a different floor), record for a while, stop, remove the number tag, and swap the records.
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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The two broken cameras must have been incompetent as well then. Not suggesting a conspiracy, but I wouldn't call it that anyway. Maybe it was just a crime.
Right? The amount of events that lined up in order for this "suicide" to take place are staggering * Mysterious incident a month before his death where Epstein is found on the ground in his cell with bruising on his neck * Epstein is taken off of suicide watch for unclear reasons * Epstein is placed into a cell containing only himself, going against prison regulations * Epstein is found hanging with a broken hyoid bo…
It is 99.9% certain that Epstein was murdered. And not by some random rich person but by a state level intelligence organization.
Another mere coincidence is that his former girlfriend and probable accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of a known Mossad asset.
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Prison negligence seems unconnected from investigative journalism....why is no one interested in Epstein's crimes?
Plenty of people are interested in Epstein's crimes. The FBI is still chasing evidence discovered during investigation of those crimes (mostly because it could tie to other people's crimes, and mostly without interference from Epstein's estate, since dead people have no Fifth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure). But if the question on the table is "Was Epstein killed to eliminate the possibi…