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Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by scythe »

floatboth wrote: post #331
scythe wrote: post #134

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https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2017/02/19/on-problems-wi... > There are currently 179 unreviewed patches in Vala’s request queue. The oldest patch there is 2,556 days old, so we know that it’s been seven years since anyone has cared for the outstanding patches. Any of those discouraged contributors might have eventually turned into Vala maintainers if only their patches were reviewed. Of course, most would not ha…

> /2017/02/19 The situation seems much better now

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/page.cgi?id=patchreport.html&prod...

If you're using the link on the blog post, you should also notice the queue looks empty without any status code, which tells me the link is broken. The banner says they've migrated to GitLab, where of 29 merge requests (since May, apparently) 8 are open, 2 of which are older than a month:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vala/merge_requests?scope=all...

one of which looks unfinished and won't merge, and one of which should obviously be merged unless the author is a huge liar:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vala/merge_requests/8/diffs

I will agree it definitely doesn't look as bad, and the door is open to "much better" -- the above is just a nitpick -- but it's too early to say that for sure. They just basically wiped the slate clean with the migration.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by dsego »

michaelmrose wrote: post #384
dymk wrote: post #271

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"it makes a difference" or "it matters"

I think you are quibbling about things that 99.9% of people quite frankly don't care about. A substantial group will leave everything default and for most of the rest the fact that you can change the colorscheme/style/background is sufficient. It's somewhat like a wine aficionado discussing the 7 delicate flavors that or an audiophile considering the virtue of using a slightly more expensive cable. So when I ask how…

99.9% of people are perfectly fine with doors with a pull handle and a sign saying "PUSH" on them.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by dsego »

typhoidharry wrote: post #369
black-tea wrote: post #275

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> makes them feel like using toys rather than proper desktops. Fascinating. I consider systems like Android, Windoze and MacOS to be like toys for the same reason: superficially beautiful, but not actually a good tool for work.

The problem with MacOS is that much of its refinements for power users are so different from Windows (and Linux desktops modeled after it), that people don't expect they can do things the easy way. Suppose you have a document open. You want to attach it to an email you started writing. In MacOS, you drag the icon from the window's title bar into the email. That's it. No need to browse to the same thing you already ha…

I don't understand how people can't tell the difference between the fake smooth scroll FF has by default and a proper pixel smooth scroll you get with MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1. The fake one scrolls line by line and smooths the transition, but still won't react to minor finger movements, there is a threshold and it feels fake as f*. Don't know why it's default on linux, but hey linux folk probably don't have high expectations anyway; they are probably fighting to keep it that way.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by dsego »

finchisko wrote: post #361
zwaps wrote: post #81

Some of the comments here feel weird. Elementary OS has picked a specific niche, and its arguably the best distribution in it. It has a really well designed and consistent UI experience, and you can't break it. I think most of you just don't realize how difficult linux is for people who barely understand how to use a Mac or Windows machine. Furthermore, linux is a world where mainstream distributions still release wi…

I'm terrible person, but I couldn't resist to get example of very ugly and visually inconsistent linux distro. And that guy reviewing it, is saying the dream distro in video title. What? Just watch the video and wait for settings app to get what I'm talking about. If it miss-aligned items don't bothers you, then you're weird (or maybe I'am) :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsRMLhVL8Y&t=418s

I mean, even now in ubuntu gnome, a right-click menu has a gap (gutter?) on the left side, probably left for icons which aren't enabled by default. This is just lazy coding in my opinion.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by MrTonyD »

meitme wrote: post #342
MrTonyD wrote: post #322

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I'm an old timer. I remember when Microsoft would expire your license - for any of their applications - essentially at random. And they disabled reloads of the software and disabled reinstalls of the entire OS. Even after you paid them again, it was a major hassle - but Mocrosoft didn't care about customer complaints as long as the money was rolling in (Bill Gates at the time said that "I am a businessman" when he di…

10s of billions with plans for more is not small amounts even for Bill. Also he does not hide most of his wealth offshore. He got his wealth from stocks in Microsoft a publicly traded company and that is where most of his wealth is. Many rich people manipulate offshore accounts to hide money but that doesn't really make sense for Bill Gates. Please don't make up things.

I've worked with executives who reported to Bill Gates, reported to Steve Jobs, and reported to Larry Ellison. Guess what? They all use the same set of accountants, and I've gotten descriptions of the way that they all hide money offshore. I've been in many meetings with Steve, and he even spoke of it internally, since it is all legal. At Oracle, our team reported to Larry and I helped reassign monies to offshore entities - and was assured that it was beyond question because "the Big 3 accounting firms are our customers, and we are their customers" and "they all make millions off us". Those monies were then funneled to groups of executives through those companies. So please don't lecture me about your opinions on these things where I have first hand knowledge. It seems like whenever I share something that I know on HN there are people who pop out to explain to me why I'm wrong. I guess I should be used to it - the more insightful the post, the more downvotes.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by ledgerdev »

xaduha wrote: post #73
ledgerdev wrote: post #63

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I too love solus, but I'm a bit concerned with the ongoing project stability with it's creator and technical leader(ikey) leaving the project. It's been such an amazing project. What do other think, can it continue to be relatively stable and not break things too much going forward?

Have you read/listened to this? https://getsol.us/2018/10/27/in-full-sail I'm hopeful, it's great to have BDFL at the start, but community takeover should and does happen at some point. Maybe this is it.

Yes, been following it closely. Let's hope it survives because it's a great distro.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by ledgerdev »

cnasc wrote: post #149
ledgerdev wrote: post #63

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I too love solus, but I'm a bit concerned with the ongoing project stability with it's creator and technical leader(ikey) leaving the project. It's been such an amazing project. What do other think, can it continue to be relatively stable and not break things too much going forward?

My impression is that Ikey has been more or less gone for a while, and the recent news was just confirmation that he didn't plan on coming back. I use Solus on my Thinkpad and it's been great for me (I package SBCL and Kakoune for Solus)

Yep, but it seems as if critical problems with updates(https://www.reddit.com/r/SolusProject/comments/9xrpeq/uodate...) are more common recently.

I haven't used solus daily for about 6 months, and prior to that used it daily for a couple years. I too will be putting it on a thinkpad shortly, we will see how it goes.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by nobody271 »

chris_wot wrote: post #380
nobody271 wrote: post #375

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It makes no sense to you that a user might want to install something that's not in their operating systems store/repo?

Sure. But you have heard of Snaps and Flatpack, right?

I hadn't until you mentioned it. It's possible.

But even then there are endless issues with drivers. Like research your chipset, find a repository on github, and then clone and build it yourself kind of issues.

Trust me, I like the idea and would love getting past our two party system. But Linux will never be easy.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by floatboth »

seltzered_ wrote: post #385
floatboth wrote: post #335

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libdazzle (developed for GNOME Builder) has some fancy animated widgets and whatnot https://valadoc.org/libdazzle-1.0/index.htm

interesting. I think the better path (for myself at least) may be to see where people have extended libcairo for uses of interactive animation, and see how cleanly Pantheon approached problems like switching desktops (not even macOS has always gotten it right - mission control's top desktop bar was sluggish in either Yosemite or El Capitan then they decided to hide it upon initial gesture later on).

cairo is for custom drawing — if you're looking into that kind of animation, sure. If you want to animate GTK's GUI widgets, cairo probably won't be super helpful
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