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Post by barnabee »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #253
ant6n wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how Gemini is theoretically the best -- but in practice all the bugs in the interface mean I don't want to use it anymore. The worst is it forgets context (and lies about it), but it's very unreliable at reading pdfs (and lies about it). There's also no branch, so once the context is lost/polluted, you have to start projects over and build up the context from scratch again.

The sheer number of bugs and lack of meaningful improvements in Google products is a clear counterargument to the AI bull thesis If AI was so good at coding, why can’t it actually make a usable Gemini/AI Studio app?

I think Google might just be institutionally incapable of making good UX

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by cassianoleal »

sudo_cowsay wrote: post #292
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

I sometimes wonder if there are any security risks with using Chinese LLMs. Is there?

What about LLMs from other origins? What makes them less risky?

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by alpineman »

sho wrote: post #281

So, this is the version that's able to serve inference from Huawei chips, although it was still trained on nVidia. So unless I'm very much mistaken this is the biggest and best model yet served on (sort of) readily-available chinese-native tech. Performance and stability will be interesting to see; openrouter currently saying about 1.12s and 30tps, which isn't wonderful but it's day one after all. For reference, the…

Can't see how NVIDA justifies its valuation/forward P/E ratio with these developments and on-device also becoming viable for 98% of people's needs when it comes to AI

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Post by oliwarner »

sudo_cowsay wrote: post #292
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

I sometimes wonder if there are any security risks with using Chinese LLMs. Is there?

If there is, couldn't they exist in any model?

I don't mean that flippantly. These things are dumped in the wild, used on common (largely) open source execution chains. If you find a software exploit, it's going to affect your population too.

Wet exploits are a bit harder to track. I'd assume there are plenty of biases based on training material but who knows if these models have a MKUltra training programme integrated into them?

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

On a seperate note, I am guessing that all the new models have announced in the space of a few days because the time to train a model is the same for each AI company.

Which strikes me as odd - Inwoukd have assumed someone had an edge in terms of at least 10% extra GPUs.

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Post by kitd »

jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

I can't find any info on what exactly is open sourced.

And in any case what does open source actually mean for an llm? It's not like you can look inside it to see what it's doing.

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Post by rhubarbtree »

Ladioss wrote: post #376
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

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Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

I always find it an illuminating experience about the power of mass propaganda every time I see an American believe they somewhat have the moral high ground over China, despite starting a new war somewhere around the globe either for petrol or on behalf of Israel every six months.

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Post by c0nstantien »

sudo_cowsay wrote: post #292
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

I sometimes wonder if there are any security risks with using Chinese LLMs. Is there?

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Post by n8cpdx »

koe123 wrote: post #355
jurgenburgen wrote: post #330

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I don’t know if we’re ahead of the curve but that tired feeling has started turning into hate here in the EU. I guess being threatened with invasion does that to you. The next decade is going to look very different with America Alone.

I grew up in the states when I was younger, always feeling some closeness to Americans even after I moved back to Europe. With all that goes on it has changed. Recently I sat on a plane near some Americans discussing their holidays here, and I noticed I felt contempt. Sitting their with insane privilege as their government torches the world. Individuals remain individuals, and one really ought not to be prejudice. Ho…

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